War in Ukraine

[DonjoVol]

I’ll speak to you on your own level.

IS TOO!!

Seems as if you are the one who is simple minded.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not really. The assurances of that were murky at best. But we know our worthless politicians have decided to help a corrupt nation. Decided to impose heavy sanctions that have hurt us here at home. But that doesn’t matter right? As long as red man gets beaten.

Some of you just cannot see the Forrest because of the trees.

Yes really. It’s pretty clear there are obligations. Welcome to Pootin Stooge status, Shemp.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Seems as if you are the one who is simple minded.

Ok so your reply is

NO YOU ARE!

At least you understand when it’s brought down to your level Curly.

 

[DonjoVol]

Ok. Let’s start with the post I responded to that got you going on your current stupidity laced diatribe Curly.

I am simply pointing out the atrocities that occurred in the Donbas region at the hands of Ukrainian forces. Never once did I say anything Russia did was okay. Simply pointing out what you and your crew of hens refuse to acknowledge.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I am simply pointing out the atrocities that occurred in the Donbas region at the hands of Ukrainian forces. Never once did I say anything Russia did was okay. Simply pointing out what you and your crew of hens refuse to acknowledge.

Sure…

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's not textbook "Whataboutism". The terms "Whataboutism" and "Non sequitur" are thrown around when people are too cowardly to debate their own talking points.

You can't point out their hypocrisy by showing other examples of situations where the US behaved differently. Hell, they can't even come up with a reasonable response to explain why Ukraine should be given all of this preferential treatment.

 

[volgr]

Actually from the Budapest Agreement we signed in 1994 yes we have obligations to assist Ukraine.

Weird, didn't you yourself refute this statement above when you quoted a lawyer involved who said there were no explicit obligations? You yourself said the language was soft. Why do you continue the dishonesty?

"By the next month, a lead State Department official for the region, Strobe Talbott, explained to a senator that the lack of new security requirements meant this wouldn’t be a treaty subject to Senate approval.

“Naturally, if there were any provisions in this agreement that obligated the United States to take on new security responsibilities of its own, of course it would be submitted to the Senate,” Talbott testified. “But there are no such obligations contained in the accord.”

Later that year, when Ukraine’s parliament was ratifying the agreement, another anonymous U.S. official took care to emphasize that it didn’t mean Ukraine would be defended “in the event that Ukraine finds itself in a military altercation.”
“It’s quite different than that,” the official said.
“If I could just also note, in case there’s any confusion — and there probably isn’t, but just in case — these are not security guarantees; these are security assurances,” the official said. “And there’s a difference. These are not Article 5, NATO-like security guarantees.”

 

[NorthDallas40]

You can't point out their hypocrisy by showing other examples of situations where the US behaved differently. Hell, they can't even come up with a reasonable response to explain why Ukraine should be given all of this preferential treatment.

Sure you can. It’s what you do all the time. It’s called whataboutism and you use it to normalize bad behavior by Russia. Wrong is wrong. Any atrocities should be investigated

 

[NorthDallas40]

Weird, didn't you yourself refute this statement above when you quoted a lawyer involved who said there were no explicit obligations? You yourself said the language was soft. Why do you continue the dishonesty?

No that was your hot take Larry by cutting out one statement and not acknowledging the rest. Look in your quote also. We aren’t defending Ukraine they are defending themselves. We are providing the resources for them to do so. As was outlined in the Budapest Agreement. As I actually stated when you were bobbing and weaving on it before security assurances /= security guarantees.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

G7 Countries Pledge Nearly $20BN To Keep Ukraine's Wartime Economy Afloat | ZeroHedge

 

[DonjoVol]

You can't point out their hypocrisy by showing other examples of situations where the US behaved differently. Hell, they can't even come up with a reasonable response to explain why Ukraine should be given all of this preferential treatment.

And I'm the one who is simple minded LMAO. I swear these hens and hyenas in here never cease to amaze me.

They are even providing us with reasons as to why Ukraine shouldn't be given that 40 billion based on their own responses. Russia is getting their ass handed to them, Russian generals are getting killed and fired, took them over 80 days, Russian military is incompetent, blood cancer, Parkinsons, Kremlin coup is underway, Ukrainian tractors, Poland and UK can take on Russia themselves, etc.

 

[NorthDallas40]

And I'm the one who is simple minded LMAO. I swear these hens and hyenas in here never cease to amaze me.

They are even providing us with reasons as to why Ukraine shouldn't be given that 40 billion based on their own responses. Russia is getting their ass handed to them, Russian generals are getting killed and fired, took them over 80 days, Russian military is incompetent, blood cancer, Parkinsons, Kremlin coup is underway, Ukrainian tractors, Poland and UK can take on Russia themselves, etc.

Exhibit 1000 on why you’re simple minded in your own words Curly

 

[volgr]

Here, let me help you...

YOU: "we have obligations to assist Ukraine"

Talbott: "there are no such obligations contained in the accord"

If you were honest, you would say we have loosely defined security assurances, not obligations. You are intentionally mischaracterizing.

 

[DonjoVol]

Exhibit 1000 on why you’re simple minded in your own words Curly

LMAO. Another reasonable and well thought out response on your part Proctor. Are you mad now that you guys have provided me with at least 2 dozen reasons as to why Ukraine doesn't need that 40 billion? See I've been listening and letting you and your crew educate me.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Here, let me help you...

YOU: "we have obligations to assist Ukraine"

Talbott: "there are no such obligations contained in the accord"

If you were honest, you would say we have loosely defined security assurances, not obligations. You are intentionally mischaracterizing.

Here I’ll help you back. There are no defense obligations on the levels of NATO Article 5 but there are obligations. We are not defending Ukraine. And as your quote said again Larry security assurances /= security guarantees.

Nobody but the stooges are buying it this time either Larry.

 

[NorthDallas40]

LMAO. Another reasonable and well thought out response on your part Proctor. Are you mad now that you guys have provided me with at least 2 dozen reasons as to why Ukraine doesn't need that 40 billion? See I've been listening and letting you and your crew educate me.

Clearly that’s what’s happening Curly.

 

[FLVOL_79]

The whole post is projection and not one fact is accurate.

Bless your heart Comrade.

 

[DonjoVol]

Clearly that’s what’s happening Curly.

Oh it absolutely is Proctor LMAO. You guys are hilarious!

 

[FLVOL_79]

And I'm the one who is simple minded LMAO. I swear these hens and hyenas in here never cease to amaze me.

They are even providing us with reasons as to why Ukraine shouldn't be given that 40 billion based on their own responses. Russia is getting their ass handed to them, Russian generals are getting killed and fired, took them over 80 days, Russian military is incompetent, blood cancer, Parkinsons, Kremlin coup is underway, Ukrainian tractors, Poland and UK can take on Russia themselves, etc.

Lol. Its like you stopped trying to pretend to be American..

 

[NorthDallas40]

Oh it absolutely is Proctor LMAO. You guys are hilarious!

We can all see you’ve convinced your simple minded self of it Curly. Nobody is shocked by the way.

 

[DonjoVol]

We can all see you’ve convinced your simple minded self of it Curly. Nobody is shocked by the way.

Would you like me to list the reasons why based on the talking points of you and your fellow hens?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Would you like me to list the reasons why based on the talking points of you and your fellow hens?

No need. We’ve all seen them multiple times as well as pointed out multiple times they don’t support your idiotic premise Curly.

 

[DonjoVol]

Lol. Its like you stopped trying to pretend to be American..

So me wanting and preferring that 40 billion to be spent here in the U.S. makes me anti American? That makes a lot of sense LMAO.

 

[DonjoVol]

No need. We’ve all seen them as well as pointed out they don’t support your idiotic premise Curly.

I would say it makes you and your crew look absolutely stupid for trying to justify that Ukraine needs that 40 billion. When there's probably thousands of posts from you and your crew stating how incompetent Russia is and what an elite fighting force Ukraine has.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I would say it makes you and your crew look absolutely stupid for trying to justify that Ukraine needs that 40 billion. When there's probably thousands of posts from you and your crew stating how incompetent Russia is and what an elite fighting force Ukraine has.

Yep we all know that’s your idiotic hot take on the situation Curly.

Mariupol is what happens when you have the willpower but not the means. The West is making sure all of Ukraine doesn’t mirror Mariupol. It’s pretty easy for all of us to see but for a simple minded stooge such as yourself…