Gun control debate (merged)

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lawgator1 said:
Inciting violence. Depends on the jurisdiction but most in the U.S. have some statute similar to that.

If its coming from overseas, ban it. Kill it. Censor it. People overseas do not have First Amendment rights.
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Just what is the standard for inciting violence? If I told Slice that he should kick your ass would that qualify?
 
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luthervol said:
17?
18?
Is the answer substantially different?
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Absolutely it make substantial difference. We also need to know the context of the threat. Was it a one time thing, guy pissed off over a girl or has he been showing signs of becoming unhinged? Not all “threats” are equal.
 
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hog88 said:
Absolutely it make substantial difference. We also need to know the context of the threat. Was it a one time thing, guy pissed off over a girl or has he been showing signs of becoming unhinged? Not all “threats” are equal.
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So there will need to be room in the law that allows the people charged with making those decisions flexibility.
And why is there a difference between 17 and 18?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Then why is it relevant? If a person who is mentally ill at the time or very recently can possess a firearm, then why then why bring it up as a means to dismiss the fact that they had a firearm?
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Siap, but because the focus isnt to get the guns away from the person. It's to help the person so they dont do anything bad, not just something bad with a gun.

You literally cant see the problem, you are so focused on the guns.
 
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LouderVol said:
Siap, but because the focus isnt to get the guns away from the person. It's to help the person so they dont do anything bad, not just something bad with a gun.

You literally cant see the problem, you are so focused on the guns.
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I can see both problems.

You don't want to admit the gun problem, which is clearly very, very real.
 
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luthervol said:
17?
18?
Is the answer substantially different?
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Under 18, ban is 3 years. At end of 3 years two court appointed psychiatrists must certify he is not a threat to carry out mass violence.

Safety valve is during those three years he can apply to the court for early termination of the ban. Same conditions but at his expense.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I can see both problems.

You don't want to admit the gun problem, which is clearly very, very real.
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It isn’t a gun problem. It’s purely a people problem. So you clearly can’t see jack.

With as many firearms as we have in private hands if we had a real gun problem you’d know it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Under 18, ban is 3 years. At end of 3 years two court appointed psychiatrists must certify he is not a threat to carry out mass violence.

Safety valve is during those three years he can apply to the court for early termination of the ban. Same conditions but at his expense.
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That sounds reasonable.
 
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AshG said:
Taking guns away will never work. Prohibitions have been shown time and time again to do absolutely no good and be a waste of time and resources.

Except for abortion. Those laws always work as intended.
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Well played.
 
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AshG said:
Taking guns away will never work. Prohibitions have been shown time and time again to do absolutely no good and be a waste of time and resources.

Except for abortion. Those laws always work as intended.
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AshG said:
Taking guns away will never work. Prohibitions have been shown time and time again to do absolutely no good and be a waste of time and resources.

Except for abortion. Those laws always work as intended.
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They can ways just have the baby then shoot it. What's the difference?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It isn’t a gun problem. It’s purely a people problem. So you clearly can’t see jack.

With as many firearms as we have in private hands if we had a real gun problem you’d know it.
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You are delusional.

We have to start drawing some sensible lines on gun possession when it comes to the mentally ill.
 
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