War in Ukraine

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Septic said:
Putin? Diplomacy?

This is the guy that assassinates his rivals or throws them in jail.

Putin is a thug, his kleptocratic regime is filled with corruption and whose diplomacy consists of bullying and intimidation. Ukraine is exposing the bully for what they are, frauds. I didn't think much of Russians before now, but now the whole world is looking at them as a giant low rent trailer park.

It's hilarious that you keep carrying the water for what we can all see with our own eyes.
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He's killed or silenced about as many people as any other world leader... Yes, even leaders here in America. His body count is actually substantially lower than some previous US leaders.

I will say it again, Putin is no better or worse than most other world leaders. The major difference with him is that he is one of the few that has access to nukes.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Their annual V day parades have always come off a bit cultish to me and definitely the thing of dictatorships.
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What about the Pledge of Allegiance and the outrage the red hats had over someone not standing for the national anthem or the US flag? Is that cultish behavior? And who came up with the idea of a Pledge of Allegiance anyways?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
This is how I have always viewed Russia and its people living there. One big White trash trailer park with lots of track suits.
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Then what does that make the US right now? Look at how far we have fallen behind. While we are rising kids to have various pronouns and place condoms on cucumbers, these other countries and our so-called enemies are taking our place.

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Then what does that make the US right now? Look at how far we have fallen behind. While we are rising kids to have various pronouns and place condoms on cucumbers, these other countries and our so-called enemies are taking our place.

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So the Russian's are winning at something? A teams sport of three students solving computer problems?

My guess is that they're cheating.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
This is how I have always viewed Russia and its people living there. One big White trash trailer park with lots of track suits.
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They do a lot of things very well, e.g. medicine. And they have world class cultural stuff.
They've also got a lot of drunken bogans much like our less upstanding citezenry.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What about the Pledge of Allegiance and the outrage the red hats had over someone not standing for the national anthem or the US flag? Is that cultish behavior? And who came up with the idea of a Pledge of Allegiance anyways?
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The POA history is interesting. See if you can find the original hand salute,
 
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Moe pushing the heavy “Butwhatabout” water carrying agenda today. I’m guessing he’s just over flowing with pride due to the May 9 happy atmosphere today 😂
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He's killed or silenced about as many people as any other world leader... Yes, even leaders here in America. His body count is actually substantially lower than some previous US leaders.

I will say it again, Putin is no better or worse than most other world leaders. The major difference with him is that he is one of the few that has access to nukes.
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This is the best whataboutism of the day so far.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Even if we push these leaders aside, the issues you are frustrated about will not be solved. Neither is Putin going to solve it. The problem in the West is the change in culture in general.

1. Take the LGBTQ+ debates right now, this is just the end of a never end decline of Family. I hate that Christians are so focused on Homosexuality when that has had little to do with decline of marriage. It all started in the 1950s or even earlier, when people stopped having respect/fear for God and respect/desire to protect their purity for marriage. Heck, most people that get married today have had sex prior to being married so there really isn't any meaning to Honeymoons anymore. The disposability of spouses through divorce because you get bored or don't like habits is even a worse example of where we have gone as a culture.

2. Freedom - Yes, I am going to say it and it is unpopular. We are too obsessed with our supposed "Freedoms" to the point that we don't think there are consequences or even have civil decorum on how we speak/interact with each other. The obsession with Freedoms has made us a very selfish and entitled generation. There is little respect for authority because we challenge everything. This reflects relationships of Children with Parents and Teachers for example.

3. History - How we teach History is biased and doesn't take into account the true view points of that era. We are very disrespectful the way we talk of past generations and their supposed flaws. Most of these people criticism our ancestors for racism or other crimes would have definitely perpetuated those crimes had they lived in that era. Keep in mind that everything we have today is based off what our ancestors passed to us. One item that I don't spend a lot of time crying over is the Native Americans debate. For the most part, the Native Americans were just warrior bands engaged in killing each other off and everyone around them. They were nothing more than the Celts were to the Greeks, Carthaginians, and Romans in the ancient period. In fact, more Native American tribes were killed off by each other than by white people (look it up). Even the Thanksgiving story and pilgrims that were helped by Native Americans were flawed. The Native Tribe that helped the Pilgrims did so to forge an Alliance with the Pilgrims against another enemy tribe. Therefore, they had ulterior purposes. (These tribes ended up killing each other off, look it up). We just don't study history and rely on sound bites.

4. Pride - this kind of goes with #2. We are always RIGHT. Our neighbors and idiots are wrong. That is the problem. Not to mention people in the USA make up their mind without even studying the topic! They will argue vehemently topics that they don't even understand. We do a lot of stupid actions because we are proud and fail to admit we are wrong on topics. It shows in our interaction with each other with every turn.

5. Morality - We don't have a set of moral norms anymore. Up until the secular movements after WW2, the moral norms were typically based on Christian/Anglo-Saxon cultural norms. That is still present in our culture (Conservative movement) but is not a dominant force. As I stated, there is no world where the LGBTQ+ community and Christian Conservative community can actually live side-by-side. They are two cultural branches that 100% conflict with each other. If our government takes a position, it will harm the rights of one of these groups over the other group. We, as a country, are faced with an interesting set of scenarios were we literally have cultural groups that cannot work together. This is why there is a heavy divide (although our country has faced similar heavy division on numerous occasions since its inception). Take the current issue of abortion, even the legality of it is based on a simple philosophical question: Is the fetus a living human being and if so, does it deserve protections under our Constitution? Since a woman has to carry this fetus (or person), what are her rights and responsibilities?

These questions cannot easily be answered and it goes back to the core idea that perhaps #2/Freedom is limited at some point based on the circumstances of life.

I agree with you RasputinVol that our nation is heading in the wrong direction and our leadership is very bad but it hasn't pushed me over to supporting a Society (Russia) that is even worse than our own system. You are failing to see just how bad Russia and Putin truly are. Their system is far worse than the USA system even on its worse day.
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Great post, thanks. Many folks here and in the US feel this way. Sadly not enough of us to enact immediate change though...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What about the Pledge of Allegiance and the outrage the red hats had over someone not standing for the national anthem or the US flag? Is that cultish behavior? And who came up with the idea of a Pledge of Allegiance anyways?
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Taking an oath is part of everyday society. Not saying the Pledge of Allegiance doesn't land you in a gulag or get you a nice case of polonium poisoning.

Parading your barely adequate at best military hardware to celebrate you getting back at your best buddy who betrayed you to the tune of over 20,000,000 deaths and creating a mythos around your involvement is very cult like.
 
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EasternVol said:
They do a lot of things very well, e.g. medicine. And they have world class cultural stuff.
They've also got a lot of drunken bogans much like our less upstanding citezenry.
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They do..do somethings well. I participated in many instances of "cross cultural collaboration" with many of their females when I spent a few weeks in Greece. We covered topics like economics, HIIT training, abstract dreams of freedom and living a life in America, and a few other tidbits here and there.
 
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AM64 said:
I tend to tag comments to a post sometimes because I agree, sometimes because I disagree, and often because the original post brings up something that is a good topic for more discussion. In this case it was really about what the perspective in teaching something like history should be. To me that's to open minds - to teach that something we may see as wrong by today's standards could have been very acceptable at the time - that facts exist but that they are only something that you can really interpret at the appropriate point in history. History and what happened is how we got here, some of it even defines where here and who we are happen to be, but we have to get off this thing about judging the past by today's standards and by someone's political/social standard. If we can't, then education isn't education rather it is indoctrination, and that's supposedly not what we stand for.
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Great post. Helped my 14yo daughter write an essay due tomorrow ...written from 1st person perspective of a citizen in Germany post WW1. Describes the poverty, hunger, depression etc they are living in when a new leader makes himself known! He is super proud still of this country, and of being from "here". He is super charismatic and tells the populace that they are not lowly, poor, defeated peoples, but rather they are the best of the best! That under his leadership EVERY person in his country will flourish, they will have nice homes, cars, and plenty to eat of every kind of food! Tells them that he will build a mighty military that will never again be defeated in battle! Tells them they should be VERY proud of their heritage...that people from other countries are weak, evil, and only mean them harm etc etc....only at the end of the very last paragraph does she reveal that it was set in post WW1 Germany, and the "cult of personality " leader was none other than Adolf Hitler. Up until then, it could have taken place anywhere on earth dealing with the aftermath of losing a war.

The truth in the matter is that if we folks were living in Germany at that time, while neighbors ate your cat or dog when you let them outside unattended....if WE were there, we would have embraced Hitler just as surely as they did. It wasnt until he had already seized power that the real hatred and atrocities began....and by then it was too late. We would have done the exact same thing that most folks did at the time.

It is important to evaluate and see things from the past through the lense of people present at the time. This does not excuse evil, or bad decisions, does not change what is right and wrong....it DOES make many of the crazy things which happened in times past seem far more understandable. Helps us to make sense of what people did, and more importantly WHY they did them.

Go VOLS
 
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