Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[VolsDoc81TX]

I have an idea.
Every VFL walk up to a bammer today and administer a quick kick to the nads. It won’t be considered assault if you then explain that you are preventing illegal incest behavior/activities. Actually considered a public service. The band wagon bammers will quickly jump off…the public will soon realize that there are way more true VFLs than true bammers and quite literally the tide will turn.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Thank you!

 

[Voltime123]

From what has been posted on these new NCAA/NIL rules. It appears the NCAA is going to set new rules based on NIL contracts for recruits that will penalize the schools associated with the collectives instead of penalizing the players. They know they will get sued if a player is suspended so they are going to try and fine the schools enough to try and discourage them from using boosters/collectives to give NIL contracts to recruits.

This would be akin to an Engineering firm being fined for trying to recruit engineers from others firms by offering them better deals.

Both of these actions would cause the players/engineers to get less money. Any of you lawyers know if this would fly in court? Especially when most of the players are African American that would be getting less money.

It doesn’t make any sense why can’t high schoolers sign a contract for their own NIL? What argument does the NCAA have in preventing collectives from giving contracts out in high school? It makes absolutely no sense…. These recruits still have a choice to make so these colleges are not taking away their free will to choose whatever school they want to attend

 

[drvenner]

Going to bed. If we win, you're welcome

Did not work. Sorry, fellas.

 

[Weezer]

The NCAA may be able to put some rules in place regarding NIL, but you can't create rules and enforce them retroactively. This "it's always been a rule boosters can't pay recruits/athletes" BS won't fly because I guarantee every kid with an NIL deal is getting paid by boosters. Who is paying Bryce Young's 7 figure NIL deal? Boosters. Who is handing out the money that got TAMU the highest rated class ever? Boosters. They cannot now decide to selectively enforce this rule with recruits, especially in a state like California where state law allows high school students to have NIL. They're trying to do an end around on the law by saying "rules". The rules went out the window the moment SCOTUS declared NIL legal, and the NCAA had no plan in place how to handle it. They can't now create rules and enforce them retroactively. IF they try to punish us in such a way, then it needs to be taken to court, and if we don't take it to court, everyone from the President to the BOT and down should be fired for being a bunch of wusses. The NCAA does not have a legal leg to stand on. My opinion, any and all schools threatened with punishment over this should immediately withdraw from the NCAA. Let's just kill this damn beast and start over. Without their member institutions, the NCAA does not exist

 

[Jack Burton]

At some point Tennessee, and other schools, will have to step forward and say they no longer recognize the authority of the NCAA. So if the NCAA tries to create some arbitrary retroactive restrictions and punishments then that time may be here now.

Athletic departments are losing authority so many probably want the NCAA to step in because they want to control the money again.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

What's wild to me is that the NIL hasn't even been "out" for that long really. And the money folks are already trying to change it rather than letting the market adjust naturally on its own.

The NFL does a lot of regulating because the owners (this would have to be the schools at the college level) all seem to kind of generally follow the same ideas for certain things.

The biggest difference is the NFL is small, just 32 teams. There is also a set salary cap for each team so no one team can really "pay more" and ultimately in college that's been going on for years. The teams that can pay more...whether it's legal or not it's what has always happened. Now these players have a choice, before it was 'if I wanna get paid I have to go to XYZ" and now it's "I can get paid anywhere...but I can get paid the most if I'm at XYZ"

Ultimately if you just left it be the market would stabilize itself. Eventually the money folks would be like "why are we paying these unproven HS kids that are fickle hundreds of thousands of dollars when we can't require them to stay at the school we're working with?"

I personally think if they are over 18 and wanna make money then they can deal with the buyout game. You agreed to work with this NIL collective while attending this school, well if you leave that school (obviously in the draft wouldn't count against the player) then you have to pay back a portion of contract or offset the losses. Because ultimately if the player isn't helping the school win more games they are basically violating the agreement.

I get that it's a "name, image, likeness" thing...but companies only pay influencers if they can help them (the company) increase sells. Lots of brands require the creator to reach certain requirements to get paid or to keep the product. It's never free money because of who you are, there is always something required from a metrics standpoint.


This post has gotten long and I'm rambling, but ultimately to me a Sports NIL should be incentive based. Team results (W/L), Player results (stats), Academic results (grades), and Exposure results (personal or team related social media metrics).

 

[Orange_Crush]

Surprised you guys aren’t discussing this more. This is the battle. They are targeting us.

We've discussed.

It looks like NCAA has little appetite for their own demise, but some universities are trying to use media pressure to get them to act, while also trying to bring in the legislative branch since the Supreme Court is the one that all but promised the NCAA demise if they press this any further.

It's where we are.

 

[Weezer]

If athletic departments want to maintain cashflow now that NIL will most likely cause donations to drop, they need to look at what they're paying coaches. Maybe Nick Saban should take a pay cut? Maybe he doesn't need all those analysts he hires every year? Mabe it's time they shuttered the Nick Saban Reform School for Unemployed Coaches?

 

[Jimmy Football]

At some point Tennessee, and other schools, will have to step forward and say they no longer recognize the authority of the NCAA. So if the NCAA tries to create some arbitrary retroactive restrictions and punishments then that time may be here now.

Athletic departments are losing authority so many probably want the NCAA to step in because they want to control the money again.

I think this stuff is just saber-rattling. If anyone was confident that NCAA could get NIL under control, Greg Sankey wouldn’t be out begging Congress to step in and regulate it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Collectives are boosters

That's what the new guidelines want to define.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Hell...I'd love for the ADs/schools to pull the damn free room & board/education being provided to the athletes.

If these guys are making six figures a year to be here then why are they also getting free school and housing? I fully believe any adult should be able to make money. Student or not, but I also have always felt like if you treated every college player like how walk-ons are treated you'd see a different level of loyalty from them.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

From what has been posted on these new NCAA/NIL rules. It appears the NCAA is going to set new rules based on NIL contracts for recruits that will penalize the schools associated with the collectives instead of penalizing the players. They know they will get sued if a player is suspended so they are going to try and fine the schools enough to try and discourage them from using boosters/collectives to give NIL contracts to recruits.

This would be akin to an Engineering firm being fined for trying to recruit engineers from others firms by offering them better deals.

Both of these actions would cause the players/engineers to get less money. Any of you lawyers know if this would fly in court? Especially when most of the players are African American that would be getting less money.

Let them try to do whatever they want against the collectives, because our collective named Spyre sports has nothing in their name that connects them to Tennessee and I guarantee there’s nothing in those contracts that connects them. However, when the negotiations occur it is understood who that recruit is supposed to go and play for. The NCAA will have zero proof to do anything to us. That is why back when we were hand wringing about all of this and seeming like we were way behind, we were making sure every single I was dotted and every single T was crossed before putting this out.

 

[Jimmy Football]

We've discussed.

It looks like NCAA has little appetite for their own demise, but some universities are trying to use media pressure to get them to act, while also trying to bring in the legislative branch since the Supreme Court is the one that all but promised the NCAA demise if they press this any further.

It's where we are.

Public opinion, the media, and the political winds are all blowing against them. Not to mention court precedent.

When even crappy coaches make 3-5 mil per year (and then get a huge severance when they get canned), no one is going to be bothered that some crazy billionaire might pay a kid 6-7 figures to play ball for a few years.

 

[engineerVOL]

Did not work. Sorry, fellas.

I think it’s because you failed the wordle yesterday.

 

[Christian Lowe]

No way this is a real quote right?

 

[Weezer]

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No way this is a real quote right?

I could see it. The only SEC defense he's faced so far is South Carolina's.

 

[TheRain]

 

[smokeyz1]

I think it will end up being the conferences trying to enforce the NIL rules. They will threaten to withhold TV cash to schools who they say violated the rules. Most SEC schools will be afraid to sue the conference. Too many bad things the SEC can do a member school without even tying it to possible NIL violations.

 

[Nashvegas31]

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No way this is a real quote right?

Probably fake but he is stupid and cocky enough to say something like that.

 

[Jimmy Football]

I could see it. The only SEC defense he's faced so far is South Carolina's.

 

[TheRain]

 

[peaygolf]

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No way this is a real quote right?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Good luck sanctioning somebody for violating some type of rule/law that didnt exist. First school that gets hit is gonna sue the hell out of the NCAA.

The interesting thing will be the official NCAA definition of "booster". The first article I read on this indicated that the current saber raddling is looking to redefine that definition (to basically include any collective that paid an athlete). SO, the NCAA would then be post-dating a rule.

If the NCAA chooses to fight this battle, I suspect it will be their last one.

This sounds like the losing institutions trying to use media to pressure the NCAA into doing something it has no appetite for. If the NCAA does anything, I suspect it would attempt a compromise something to the effect of: "We won't sanction anyone for the past two years because we're so super gracious, but going forward, these are the rules:"

 

[Nashvegas31]

I know we instantly think we are being targeted but I really think I this is targeted at the Texas/AM/Miami type collectives that are paying salaries to kids for play and attending school. Spyre in surface at least to me seems to be pushing money through actual business marketing events not simply for attending a school. They aren’t saying they are paying team or positional salaries like others. Nico deal is based on his branding potential. He legally can make money and has been doing events when in town. He isn’t sitting on his butt being handed a check.