War in Ukraine

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AM64 said:
There are a couple of ways to look at this.

1 People from Country A migrated willingly as individuals to Country B

2 People from Country A were planted in Country B by by Country A when it ran a Soviet Union, and they never left Country B. They either stayed back as the basis for an insurgency, to spur unrest, or perhaps they liked it better there.

Insurgents and those seeking to disrupt deserve the treatment they get. Any of the others from Country A in Country B who aren't welcomed by their new host need to leave and write it off as a bad idea. There's no shortage of stories about foreign refugees being told prior to hostilities to leave - some people are smart about it and leave ... some aren't. N Vietnam staged a lot of insurgents, spies, and other disruptors in S Vietnam; and they were effective in the war. It's simple. Regardless of how someone came to live in a country hostile now hostile to them, they need to leave. That can be US citizens in Mexico or Russians in Ukraine.
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Israelis?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Was that the USS Liberty? USS Maine? Lusitania?
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The article says an old cargo ship, and it doesn't look that big. You'd think most Navy ships wouldn't have the immediate structural failure, but there's the fuel and munitions to consider, so the end result would probably be about the same. I'm thinking things like ships and tanks are risky business for the future - too slow and not maneuverable enough against new weapons.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Israelis?
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I have no answer for that one. Certainly the way the Palestine was partitioned by the UN and Britain didn't help the situation either. There are a couple of very good books by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre about dividing countries. O Jerusalem! is about the founding of the Israeli state, and Freedom at Midnight is about Britain leaving India and Pakistan and dividing the two countries. There's a lot of perspective on how religion and ethnicity make for difficult neighbors. All the books these two wrote were great; the title most people would first recognize would be Is Paris Burning? I didn't expect to really care for Or I'll Dress You In Mourning but it matched up to all their other works.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Over a million drug overdose deaths in the U. S. since 1999 and suicide rate up in this country 35% since 1999. But let's just continue to virtue signal on about Ukraine.
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So can I take problems in Russian society, and tell them not to worry about the nazis in Ukraine, until they have those fixed?
 
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Orangeburst said:
I dont get it..we spend trillions to counter the CCP yet still act like they are not a threat in any manner regarding trade and such, and we get rear ended on both sides. It would be like having this massive trade relationship with the USSR during the CW. Frankly DC and their corporate interests in trying to export "democracy" is yet another failure. The biggest ever.

The Air Force Has Abandoned Its 386 Squadron Goal | The Drive
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Maybe the one bright spot in all this is that China may have as much trouble keeping their copies of our overly sophisticated planes in the air as we do the originals. The availability rates and man-hours of maintenance per man-hour of flight are appalling.
 
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At what level is Russia's desperation in their war? They are accusing the Ukraine of using black magic to enhance their weapons. Not sure what is more sad, accusing someone of using black magic or actually thinking black magic is real outside of a dungeon and dragons match in someones basement.
 
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MontyPython said:


Of note, this doesn't include the HIMARS guided missile system we've sent that has a range over 100 miles.

This graphic explains, in part, why Russia is so incensed by western aid.
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I'm sure they also got some of them GPS guided munitions to use in the howitzers. Further range + better accuracy = lots of dead Russians.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I'm sure they also got some of them GPS guided munitions to use in the howitzers. Further range + better accuracy = lots of dead Russians.
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Yep. I hope Putin doesn't go nuclear.

How does the US, Ukraine and Europe react if he hits Kyiv with a tactical nuke?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They tried diplomacy 8 years ago with Minsk I and II.
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No they didnt. You, nor anyone else, has been able to point to what Ryssia was being diplomatic with. What were they willing to give up, what was Ukraine getting out of it? Did the russians ever pull out of the region during the ceasefire?

Its disingenuous to say you want peace when you put more and more troops and supplies into an occupied country and are able to launch the biggest land war in decades at a moments notice.

Heck russian hasnt even "diplomatically" declared war yet. Complete bs to try and sell they have been a voice of peace through out any of this.
 
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MontyPython said:
Yep. I hope Putin doesn't go nuclear.

How does the US, Ukraine and Europe react if he hits Kyiv with a tactical nuke?
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I could be wrong but I don't believe they would take out a city early on. First use would be to hit an area where there may be a concentration of troops or perhaps a command center. What comes next is the million dollar question. Hopefully instead of a counterstrike by NATO the world condemnation will be so intense that Putin will finally be removed.
 
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