War in Ukraine

[InVOLuntary]

Then I would likely expect action to be taken on any party that inserts themselves in the dispute. Meaning that Canada or whoever has become a target.

So now change Chaz with donbas and Russia with Canada.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We don’t.

We have at one time in our history (Texas) and we are doing it right now, but only not on our border, but in Northeast Syria with The Kurds.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So now change Chaz with donbas and Russia with Canada.

OK. Now what?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I can’t wait to see him attempt to draw parallels to Russians living in Ukraine and Texas migrants.

Because that is the most obvious comparison.

 

[tvolsfan]

I highly doubt NATO makes in to 2030 in its present form.

True, it will be bigger.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I highly doubt NATO makes in to 2030 in its present form.

You’re right on that. Before the end of this year it’s going to have two fresh new members as a result of Pootin’s dumbassery

 

[NorthDallas40]

Because that is the most obvious comparison.

You need to go quickly google the Mexican position on immigration to the Texas territory as well as all the other civil war going on in Mexico at the time of the Texas rebellion.

 

[InVOLuntary]

OK. Now what?

You've repeatedly criticized the Ukraine government for attacking Russian backed rebels in Donbas and you've just agreed that military action was warranted in regards to Chaz.

 

[tvolsfan]

No, my position is that there were some that did want to join and some that did not. Once the US did not like the decision made by the democratically elected leader, the US State Department triggered and coordinated the Euro Maidan uprisings/ colour revolution, which lead to the overthrow of Yanukovich. Once the oblasts that most heavily supported Yanukovich and his decision to gain closer relations with Russia saw this, they no longer wanted any parts of the newly inserted Kyiv regime and chose to breakaway.

The regions in Ukraine that heavily supported Yanukovich in 2010. See if you see a pattern...

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I’m going to ignore the obvious lies and simply say that whatever percent supported Yanukovich (which, of course, was more before it was revealed he was a Russian puppet), support for pro Russian candidates plummeted since the revolution. Of course, Vova went ahead and made that permanent with his moronic invasion.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

@GreyWolf1129

This rust on USS Indiana normal?

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U.S., French, U.K. Nuclear Submarines Rendezvous In Scotland

It’s not a big deal. She’s a New London boat, and it looks like she deployed in January. New London in January is cold, so they probably had difficulty getting the paint to stick when they dressed her up before she deployed. Given the environment that they operate in, this is not all that unusual, although it usually occurs in much warmer water.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

This will come at a great cost for Germans.

 

[tvolsfan]

This will come at a great cost for Germans.

Looks like Germans would rather pay more than do business with a terrorist organization.

 

[LouderVol]

Every vote that doesn't go in the United States way is immediately discredited, even though I just showed you the very regions that supported Yanukovich in 2010. You have provide more evidence to strengthen your argument to convince me that the same regions in 2014 wouldn't be pizzed about their elected leader being regime changed.

Again there is a mile of difference between being upset at an election being interfered with (Russia backing Yanukovich), and welcoming the Russians with open arms.

You are basing your anti-west propaganda on the same information that told the Russians the Ukrainians would welcome them as liberators.

And it's those same Ukrianians who backed Yanukovich who are now fighting the Russians.

And I like how you justify Ukraine wanting neutrality under Yanukovivh as justification for Russia to invade and remove any shred of neutrality.

 

[LouderVol]

Somebody copy me for Ras because he has forgotten the truth about Yanukovich. He ran on a campaign of closer ties to Europe.

The Ukrainian President's Big Broken Promise

"When I spoke to Yanukovych back in December 2008, he was determined: "We decided that our main goal will be integration in Europe at the first congress in 1997, and in all these years we not only never changed our program, we are even more convinced that Ukraine should be a part of Europe." He also assured me that, as long as he remained politically active, he would never allow Russia to treat Ukraine as a subordinate "little brother."

Article from December 6th, 2013.

Nobody, not even the deposed Yanukovich said he wanted closer ties with Russia. Until suddenly he did, nothing suspicious at all.

 

[MG1968]

When is lying in a situation like this ever a good thing? You may give these 18-22 year olds on the Ukrainian side false hope and have them throw their lives away over nonsense while Western propagandists are sipping tea and making millions.

Should a woman in the middle of being sexually assaulted stop fighting back and just accept that, at best, she’s going to be raped?

Because that’s what you’re suggesting Ukraine do. It’s a pathetic standard even by your standards.

 

[Orangeburst]

It’s not a big deal. She’s a New London boat, and it looks like she deployed in January. New London in January is cold, so they probably had difficulty getting the paint to stick when they dressed her up before she deployed. Given the environment that they operate in, this is not all that unusual, although it usually occurs in much warmer water.

I thought they used some type of rubber coating
Maybe not on the mast

 

[utvolpj]

Should a woman in the middle of being sexually assaulted stop fighting back and just accept that, at best, she’s going to be raped?

Because that’s what you’re suggesting Ukraine do. It’s a pathetic standard even by your standards.

Volgr has also suggested the same response for the woman. Just surrender and accept your fate

 

[tvolsfan]

Somebody copy me for Ras because he has forgotten the truth about Yanukovich. He ran on a campaign of closer ties to Europe.

The Ukrainian President's Big Broken Promise

"When I spoke to Yanukovych back in December 2008, he was determined: "We decided that our main goal will be integration in Europe at the first congress in 1997, and in all these years we not only never changed our program, we are even more convinced that Ukraine should be a part of Europe." He also assured me that, as long as he remained politically active, he would never allow Russia to treat Ukraine as a subordinate "little brother."

Article from December 6th, 2013.

Nobody, not even the deposed Yanukovich said he wanted closer ties with Russia. Until suddenly he did, nothing suspicious at all.

But Nuland’s cookies!

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You've repeatedly criticized the Ukraine government for attacking Russian backed rebels in Donbas and you've just agreed that military action was warranted in regards to Chaz.

And again, you leave out the fact that the catalyst for the Donbas independence movement was the US lead coup. That was the original spark that caused all of this. So by supporting and coordinating the coup, the US had inserted itself into a conflict. Then Donbas responded. The Ukraine regime then did as you would expect (no different than what the US did when States tried to secede) and acted militarily. Then Donbas asked for help from Russia.

Why do you all just gloss over the US State Department coup and act like that had no part to play in this?

 

[GreyWolf1129]

I thought they used some type of rubber coating
Maybe not on the mast

They use anechoic tiles on the hull and sail, but not the top of the sail, I think. Again, just looks like a bad paint job to me.

 

[EasternVol]

Erdogan will play both sides against the other as he's increasingly gotten a bit better at over the past few years. NATO is a dying relic, however, and the future of Turkey is in the East.

An important part of the future of Turkey is keeping the straits secure.
NATO will exist in one form or another as long as Russia is deemed to pose a threat, and probably after then.
Do you mean the future of Turkey is with China?

 

[InVOLuntary]

And again, you leave out the fact that the catalyst for the Donbas independence movement was the US lead coup. That was the original spark that caused all of this. So by supporting and coordinating the coup, the US had inserted itself into a conflict. Then Donbas responded. The Ukraine regime then did as you would expect (no different than what the US did when States tried to secede) and acted militarily. Then Donbas asked for help from Russia.

Why do you all just gloss over the US State Department coup and act like that had no part to play in this?

You just can't do it can you? Donbas is part of Ukraine. The people there have no more right to succeed than the morons from Chaz did. Russia has no more right to meddle than the US did. You're ok with Russia meddling but in true hypocritical form you criticize the US. Yet again, your communism is showing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Should a woman in the middle of being sexually assaulted stop fighting back and just accept that, at best, she’s going to be raped?

Because that’s what you’re suggesting Ukraine do. It’s a pathetic standard even by your standards.

Why do you all always have to use the most extreme hypotheticals to try to make a point? But when I provide actual, real world events, that is "whataboutism"?

 

[NorthDallas40]

@Rasputin_Vol

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I don't see how this war, in it's current state, can last longer than the summer. Russia is simply running out of everything it needs. At this point UK are saying Russia's intelligence is no longer reliable.