War in Ukraine

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marcusluvsvols said:
The QT gas station at the corner starts at $17.75 an hour for part time workers at 3 shifts a week. Goes up from there. Fast food here is the same...and the Burger King here closes at 9pm all week bc not enough workers...Zaxbys closed down temporarily for same reason, its the same everywhere. Even teenagers wont work here for 18 bucks an hour doing almost nothing. Amazing. I worked my butt off 30 years ago bagging groceries and a stocking for $4.50 an hour before taxes. 1st construction job laboring for framers was 6 bucks an hour...to carry lumber all day long or push/pull it up to 2nd and 3rd floors. These kids and young adults will be the death of this country if things dont change drastically
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$4.50 would have bought you nearly 4 gallons of gasoline 30 years ago also.

How much would you have to be paid per hour today to buy 4 gallons?
 
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Hunerwadel said:
I think I got paid $140 + about $80 combat pay for my first month in Vietnam as a PFC. And I thought I was getting ****ed over!!!
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I am a huge Vietnam War buff if you ever feel like talking about where you served my good man! I have the utmost respect for Vietnam vets, y'all went through the meat grinder
 
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landscapingvol said:
I am a huge Vietnam War buff if you ever feel like talking about where you served my good man! I have the utmost respect for Vietnam vets, y'all went through the meat grinder
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I don't mind talking privately. I wouldn't get into it on a forum. I'll just say my story isn't very interesting and I certainly didn't do anything out of the ordinary. I am proud that I served my country and did what was asked of me. That's about all there is to it.
 
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The Air Force Museum in Dayton, OH has a very interesting F-106 that did better than this one. I was on the phone with my brother and he'd ask about a tail number, and tell me he'd flown this or that plane. He had flown the F-106 on display at Tyndall when a squadron rotated through for an exercise. Somewhere like Montana the plane had gone into a flat spin like this Su-34 and the pilot had to eject when the plane wouldn't recover. As it turns out when he ejected, the plane stopped its spin - perhaps altered aerodynamics with the canopy gone or the ejection momentarily disturbed the spin. The plane was apparently well trimmed and made a nice un-piloted landing on plowed farmland. The AF got it on a flatbed and brought it back, repaired what was fairly minor damage, and the plane continued to fly. You can bet with that history, every pilot who ever flew it remembers that plane.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So I simply don’t feel it’s a requirement to provide an income for these people. It’s their responsibility to find a way to support themselves. There is no such thing as a free lunch. This approach just reinforces government dependency. I can never support that kind of approach.
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I'm just saying that we need to leave some jobs for people. We could automate lawn mowing if we wanted, but there are a lot of people who like the work and provide lawncare services. There is a balance; it's something the industrial revolution taught us, and people are doing their best to forget. When you create a class of people with income, they become consumers that make up the market for industry. It's a symbiotic arrangement, and the world today is trying to have industry without the earners who make up the market for goods - doesn't work unless the few pay taxes so government can pay the many to be idle.
 
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AM64 said:
I'm just saying that we need to leave some jobs for people. We could automate lawn mowing if we wanted, but there are a lot of people who like the work and provide lawncare services. There is a balance; it's something the industrial revolution taught us, and people are doing their best to forget. When you create a class of people with income, they become consumers that make up the market for industry. It's a symbiotic arrangement, and the world today is trying to have industry without the earners who make up the market for goods - doesn't work unless the few pay taxes so government can pay the many to be idle.
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Oh I understand and I know you don’t support endless entitlements too. I just think in reinforces a really bad behavior that we shouldn’t be encouraging. It’s like the tax payers are paying the lazy unskilled bastards protection money and the freaking Feds are their Guido enforcers collecting it. 🤷‍♂️
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh I understand and I know you don’t support endless entitlements too. I just think in reinforces a really bad behavior that we shouldn’t be encouraging. It’s like the tax payers are paying the lazy unskilled bastards protection money and the freaking Feds are their Guido enforcers collecting it. 🤷‍♂️
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Some people like to work with their hands and do more of the unskilled (or skilled but not professionally trained) manual jobs. There's a place for that, and we should recognize and encourage it. We can automate stuff like testing car systems, but you still need somebody to turn wrenches. Same with plumbers, electricians, all the trades that go into building homes ... unless you want to live in cookie cutter prefabricated houses. Automation is some industries makes sense as long as the application is judicious. I'm not one that thinks jobs like driving trucks or similar tasks should be automated - at least not in the near future because there are a lot of people driving and cars and not all of them are rational. In the end, though, we need jobs that get people out of both the unemployed and not employed and not looking categories, and that seems more important than just the bottom line in industry. Without markets, there is no industry, and we seem bound to forget that.
 
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AM64 said:
Some people like to work with their hands and do more of the unskilled (or skilled but not professionally trained) manual jobs. There's a place for that, and we should recognize and encourage it. We can automate stuff like testing car systems, but you still need somebody to turn wrenches. Same with plumbers, electricians, all the trades that go into building homes ... unless you want to live in cookie cutter prefabricated houses. Automation is some industries makes sense as long as the application is judicious. I'm not one that thinks jobs like driving trucks or similar tasks should be automated - at least not in the near future because there are a lot of people driving and cars and not all of them are rational. In the end, though, we need jobs that get people out of both the unemployed and not employed and not looking categories, and that seems more important than just the bottom line in industry. Without markets, there is no industry, and we seem bound to forget that.
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So professional trades don’t fall into this category. They are not unskilled far from it even. Even swinging a hammer and using a tape measure properly takes skill so this doesn’t apply to them. Turning wrenches generally takes skill too. In fact I’d offer that most of your examples in fact don’t fit the category I’m pointing to. If your job largely revolves around just using a rake without doing the planning on where you should use that rake, or putting the pattie on for 3 minutes then flipping for another three minutes, then you’re in the cross hairs.

Manual labor /= low skill. Not by a long shot.

And you won’t get people out of the not employed or not looking category unless they want to get out of there.

Plus all of this is about to be OBE. All of us boomers are retiring in droves and they can’t back fill fast enough.

If you are in a low skill job today and not trying to get into a company training/apprenticeship program I’d submit you deserve to be right where you are at.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Damn! Russians really are the Keystone Cops of warfare. Meanwhile our very own three stooges believe all is fine.
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Doesnt seem to be much change from last week. Russians continue making important gains in the liberation of the Donbas while the depleted Ukrainian forces continue taking heavy casualties. Russia continues to score western arms from depots left by retreating Ukraine forces. Looks like several key arteries from western Ukraine have now been severed in an effort to keep heavy western weapons out. Russia continues to grind Ukraine down while we continue to support needlessly throwin young Ukrainian men into said meat grinder.

The calculus hasnt changed. Russia is winning and will win.
 
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So America/Australia doesnt want China to build up in the Solomon Islands, on "Australia's doorstep"? Morrison says, "this is a redline".

Huh, Ive been told Putin was ridiculous for having the same concerns on his borders.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So professional trades don’t fall into this category. They are not unskilled far from it even. Even swinging a hammer and using a tape measure properly takes skill so this doesn’t apply to them. Turning wrenches generally takes skill too. In fact I’d offer that most of your examples in fact don’t fit the category I’m pointing to. If your job largely revolves around just using a rake without doing the planning on where you should use that rake, or putting the pattie on for 3 minutes then flipping for another three minutes, then you’re in the cross hairs.

Manual labor /= low skill. Not by a long shot.

And you won’t get people out of the not employed or not looking category unless they want to get out of there.

Plus all of this is about to be OBE. All of us boomers are retiring in droves and they can’t back fill fast enough.

If you are in a low skill job today and not trying to get into a company training/apprenticeship program I’d submit you deserve to be right where you are at.
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I maybe didn't say it all well. There is a lot of skill, training, and experience that goes into a lot of jobs that we don't for whatever reason consider "professional". Maybe that has to do with the college for everybody concept that doesn't seem to recognize those jobs and skills. I absolutely agree that using a hammer, tape measure, saw, etc takes practice and skill. I guess we all need to be careful about terminology, but I sure hope we find a way to make more people productive again. We're screwed if we don't ... apparently Russian Army type screwed.
 
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I saw gas at 3.69 this morning, it was 3.85 after lunch. I got a feeling it's about to dip. Bout to hit the dip, but no dippy dip in a gas hit. I go strait for first cheap. It pops up in areas. little bubbles of cheap gas.
 
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volgr said:
Doesnt seem to be much change from last week. Russians continue making important gains in the liberation of the Donbas while the depleted Ukrainian forces continue taking heavy casualties. Russia continues to score western arms from depots left by retreating Ukraine forces. Looks like several key arteries from western Ukraine have now been severed in an effort to keep heavy western weapons out. Russia continues to grind Ukraine down while we continue to support needlessly throwin young Ukrainian men into said meat grinder.

The calculus hasnt changed. Russia is winning and will win.
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lol....
Russia has already lost. You have a weird definition of winning.
 
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volgr said:
Doesnt seem to be much change from last week. Russians continue making important gains in the liberation of the Donbas while the depleted Ukrainian forces continue taking heavy casualties. Russia continues to score western arms from depots left by retreating Ukraine forces. Looks like several key arteries from western Ukraine have now been severed in an effort to keep heavy western weapons out. Russia continues to grind Ukraine down while we continue to support needlessly throwin young Ukrainian men into said meat grinder.

The calculus hasnt changed. Russia is winning and will win.
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😂🤡
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
I saw gas at 3.69 this morning, it was 3.85 after lunch. I got a feeling it's about to dip. Bout to hut the dip, but no dippy dip in a gas hit. I gi strait for first cheap. It pops up in areas. little bubbles of cheap gas.
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It's 3.35 at both QTs a couple of miles away and 3.35 at the Kroger down the street.
 
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AM64 said:
I maybe didn't say it all well. There is a lot of skill, training, and experience that goes into a lot of jobs that we don't for whatever reason consider "professional". Maybe that has to do with the college for everybody concept that doesn't seem to recognize those jobs and skills. I absolutely agree that using a hammer, tape measure, saw, etc takes practice and skill. I guess we all need to be careful about terminology, but I sure hope we find a way to make more people productive again. We're screwed if we don't ... apparently Russian Army type screwed.
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I’ll agree on I hope we find a way to make more people productive again. Because with our old asses being retired I damn sure won’t be lending a hand on productivity.
 
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