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NEO said:
People said the same thing back when gas stations were full service. Then automation killed a low skilled job.
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Except Oregon and New Jersey. Apparently the powers that be don't trust their citizens with gas pumps. If Portland is any indication, they are probably right, too.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Some companies are now requiring their employees to get their butts back into the office.
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Some have tried. They are realizing they don't have leverage. This is an employee labor market. Typically, the employees threaten to leave and the company folds. Some companies tried to call their bluff and their employees were a different company (thrilled to have them) WFH within a couple weeks and often at better pay.

DonjoVol said:
Many of the permanent work from home jobs still require set hours. All it really does is eliminate the commute. That is about it.
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The average commute in the US is 28 minutes one way. That is roughly an unpaid hour per commuted day immediately transferred to family time. Then, there is the money saved; gas money, maintenance on the car, tolls, subway fees, parking fees, premium prices for breakfast or coffee on the go verse what they would cost at home, and savings on childcare as a parent is at home when the kids come home from school.

DonjoVol said:
Okay. Lets say a company decides to automate most of their accounting jobs. Now 80% of the accounting department is without a job. Other companies decide its best to automate those jobs as well. In what field would you suggest these individuals look for work?

Same with dispatchers who were working for trucking companies.
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Some will transition over to advise the coders of the accounting software. As new technology replaces old jobs, it creates new ones it its wake. In the process, the whole system becomes more efficient and society becomes wealthier. Another thing to keep in mind, companies/managers are looking for competent people with soft skills. Former successful accountants will have a mixture of valuable soft and hard skills which can be repurposed. As a manager, I can teach whatever hard skills they are lacking (every prospective employee will be lacking some hard skills specific to the job). Reminds you of the old Al Davis quote "speed kills, everything else can be taught".
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’m not wishing for anything however I can look at the state of easily replaceable skills and your spatula skills are right there near the top. Right behind the cashier that takes the order they’re already being replaced.

But sure what do I know. Whenever talent acquisition is on the prowl for STEM scalps they always say “hey your 35+ years of engineering experience are great and all but what I really need to know is what is your best time at quarter pounder with cheese assembly and what is your send back rate in making that sandwich?”

Tick tock Curly 🤡
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Easy there. We need those low skilled jobs. It's either that or government would be paying more people for doing nothing - most people doing low skilled jobs are there for a reason, and we need places for them. Besides there's the idle hands being a problem kind of thing.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lol unskilled labor
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The QT gas station at the corner starts at $17.75 an hour for part time workers at 3 shifts a week. Goes up from there. Fast food here is the same...and the Burger King here closes at 9pm all week bc not enough workers...Zaxbys closed down temporarily for same reason, its the same everywhere. Even teenagers wont work here for 18 bucks an hour doing almost nothing. Amazing. I worked my butt off 30 years ago bagging groceries and a stocking for $4.50 an hour before taxes. 1st construction job laboring for framers was 6 bucks an hour...to carry lumber all day long or push/pull it up to 2nd and 3rd floors. These kids and young adults will be the death of this country if things dont change drastically
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No it’s just fact Curly. And LMAO at your leap to understanding automaton will replace low skilled repetitive jobs as supporting welfare for the displaced. Quite the opposite actually the workplace owes nothing to anybody it’s up to the individual to acquire the skills that have value.

But I guess I can understand those not having valued skills and not having any intention of acquiring any working thru that bargaining process in reconciling their future Curly. 🤡
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I'm honestly not a fan of over automation. We've got a segment of the population who simply aren't up to a challenge. Better to keep them busy and pay them. If they don't work and earn an income, those of us who do are going to pay them anyway through taxes and handouts, and the government as a middleman is very expensive.
 
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AM64 said:
Easy there. We need those low skilled jobs. It's either that or government would be paying more people for doing nothing - most people doing low skilled jobs are there for a reason, and we need places for them. Besides there's the idle hands being a problem kind of thing.
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But they are owed nothing by the labor market and their pay reflects their value. If you make crap money it’s a pretty high likelihood you have crap skills. You can get motivated and get skills which are valued or you can go on the gubmint dole.
 
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AM64 said:
I'm honestly not a fan of over automation. We've got a segment of the population who simply aren't up to a challenge. Better to keep them busy and pay them. If they don't work and earn an income, those of us who do are going to pay them anyway through taxes and handouts, and the government as a middleman is very expensive.
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Eh the labor market will decide how much automation is enough. And those machines will require routine maintenance. As has happened for generations machines will increase productivity and people on the lower end of the skills pool will adapt to what low skill jobs are available. It’s merely the marching on of progress.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
But they are owed nothing by the labor market and their pat reflects their value. If you make crap money it’s a pretty high likelihood you have crap skills. You can get motivated and get skills which are valued or you can go on the gubmint dole.
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There's a segment of the population that simply isn't going to get motivated if there is welfare to be had. Better job opportunities than paying support. Sorry, but I don't see over-automation solving problems or bumping people into more skilled jobs to develop and maintain automation. Look at people waiting for educational loans to be paid off ... they obviously didn't take a path supporting automation. Besides there's the other fallacy in the equation. If you replace all workers with automation and find better positions for them supporting automation, then you have replaced cheaper labor with more expensive labor to support automation, and then there is the additional capital cost - doesn't add up.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
The QT gas station at the corner starts at $17.75 an hour for part time workers at 3 shifts a week. Goes up from there. Fast food here is the same...and the Burger King here closes at 9pm all week bc not enough workers...Zaxbys closed down temporarily for same reason, its the same everywhere. Even teenagers wont work here for 18 bucks an hour doing almost nothing. Amazing. I worked my butt off 30 years ago bagging groceries and a stocking for $4.50 an hour before taxes. 1st construction job laboring for framers was 6 bucks an hour...to carry lumber all day long or push/pull it up to 2nd and 3rd floors. These kids and young adults will be the death of this country if things dont change drastically
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The first step is to investigate the problem. How do people survive without working? Government just assumes if people are "struggling" they need help; the real answer may be they just need motivation - a reason not to starve.
 
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AM64 said:
The first step is to investigate the problem. How do people survive without working? Government just assumes if people are "struggling" they need help; the real answer may be they just need motivation - a reason not to starve.
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There are a few factors. One. There are some work from home customer service jobs available. However many of those jobs really don't pay anymore than what many restaurant jobs are paying. But working from home appeals to some people so it is something that might work out for them.

Two. There are several people working for companies such as Doordash, UberEats, Uber, Lyft, Point Pickup, etc. It's much larger than people realize and it doesn't consist of only people who used to work in the restaurant industry either.

Then you have manufacturing jobs paying more money. And honestly restaurant jobs have been looked down on so if you got the choice to work one of those other 3 jobs I mentioned versus working in a restaurant which do you think people are going to choose?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
The QT gas station at the corner starts at $17.75 an hour for part time workers at 3 shifts a week. Goes up from there. Fast food here is the same...and the Burger King here closes at 9pm all week bc not enough workers...Zaxbys closed down temporarily for same reason, its the same everywhere. Even teenagers wont work here for 18 bucks an hour doing almost nothing. Amazing. I worked my butt off 30 years ago bagging groceries and a stocking for $4.50 an hour before taxes. 1st construction job laboring for framers was 6 bucks an hour...to carry lumber all day long or push/pull it up to 2nd and 3rd floors. These kids and young adults will be the death of this country if things dont change drastically
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Chik Fil A never seems to have the problem of being under staffed. But they also got a little bit ahead of the curve and started paying more money.

I wouldn't just blame it on the kids and young adults. I will catch some heat for saying this but I don't care. But you can also lay some of the blame on their parents. Plus many people in upper management who have been out of touch with what's going on aren't part of that generation. They are part of the problem too.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Some have tried. They are realizing they don't have leverage. This is an employee labor market. Typically, the employees threaten to leave and the company folds. Some companies tried to call their bluff and their employees were a different company (thrilled to have them) WFH within a couple weeks and often at better pay.



The average commute in the US is 28 minutes one way. That is roughly an unpaid hour per commuted day immediately transferred to family time. Then, there is the money saved; gas money, maintenance on the car, tolls, subway fees, parking fees, premium prices for breakfast or coffee on the go verse what they would cost at home, and savings on childcare as a parent is at home when the kids come home from school.



Some will transition over to advise the coders of the accounting software. As new technology replaces old jobs, it creates new ones it its wake. In the process, the whole system becomes more efficient and society becomes wealthier. Another thing to keep in mind, companies/managers are looking for competent people with soft skills. Former successful accountants will have a mixture of valuable soft and hard skills which can be repurposed. As a manager, I can teach whatever hard skills they are lacking (every prospective employee will be lacking some hard skills specific to the job). Reminds you of the old Al Davis quote "speed kills, everything else can be taught".
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The employer can also fire those employees if they outright refuse to come into the office as instructed. They would have no problem finding replacements right now. So in some industries it's not a complete employee labor market.

If you have kids who aren't in school then you will have to find someone to take care of them while you are working. These companies who have permanent work from home jobs are very strict that you must have a space that is free from distractions. They monitor how much time you are logged in and working, on the phones, etc.

I will agree some people will transition. But you have to understand there are people figuring out ways to completely automate jobs therefore basically eliminating the human need for those jobs. If that happens then there are no or very little jobs avaliable for people to work. Which would lead to universal basic income and the government deciding how much money one gets.
 
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DonjoVol said:
We don't need to buying influence.

It all depends on if the money is used to actually try and fix problems here at home. Much of the money tends to go friends and family members of politicians and nothing gets done. There is also the issue of money going to large corporations. Large corporations shouldn't be getting any money from the government.

Zero of our budget should go to foreign aid until most of our problems at home are solved.

There are private charities that provide humanitarian relief. If people are concerned about humanitarian relief they are free to donate to those private charities.
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On the first point: playing the global game as we do, we absolutely need to buy influence to keep and gain markets, supply sources, and other assets. For better or worse that's how we're set up today.
You're right about corruption, including bent politicians and corporate welfare. Fixing that would free up more funds for domestic shortcomings like infrastructure, mental health, drug rehabilitation, etc. But our most important domestic problems are corruption and special interest ideologies, which won't break the budget to fix.
Decency, capability, and influence are valid reasons for government humanitarian aid.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Not feeling well Vlad? Putin looks Unsteady in Easter church service footage showing him biting lip and fidgeting as health Rumours Grow and war continues to go badly

Vladimir Putin looked frail and unsteady at footage purporting to be from a midnight mass for Orthodox Easter, stoking rumours surrounding the Russian president's ailing health.

He chewed his lip and appeared unsure of his footing as he stood in Moscow's Christ the Saviour Cathedral alongside the city's mayor Sergei Sobyanin.

A nervous-looking Putin bit his lip while attending the church service, fidgeting and appearing distracted while watching the church service.

He appeared to chew the insides of his mouth, shifting uncomfortably, adding to a swirl of commentary that the pressure of Russian setbacks over the war in Ukraine.

The Russian president has seen rumours circling around his physical and mental fitness after footage emerged of him gripping the table in front of him during a meeting with one of his senior staff.

Putin, 69, was seen gripping the table and tapping his foot frantically, prompting the rumours of his mental deterioration.

Observers said Putin's actions are consistent with someone suffering from Parkinson's disease, which causes tremors, slow movement and stiffness.

Reuters reported Putin did not join in with the congregational response, declining to respond 'he has truly risen', along with the rest of the congregation.

'I am persuaded by a lot of medical advice that he is an ill man and the most persuasive diagnosis is that he has early Parkinsonia,' said former government defence and Nato adviser Professor Gwythian Prins, appearing on Good Morning Britain.

'I happen to live with a clinical neurological psychologist, my wife who has spent 30 years dealing with people who have had degenerative brain diseases.'

Putin looks unsteady in Easter church service footage showing him biting lip and fidgeting | Daily Mail Online
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Just like Bidens mental health issues, which were easily observed by the casual viewer, proven to be true, so will Pootins ailment's. I'm going with essential tremors and/or Parkinson's + re-de-re-Nazification.
 
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Septic said:
15 is the minimum pieces unless you simply don't care about your job.
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