War in Ukraine

[volgr]

I keep getting told that Russia does not equal Soviet, so why would Soviet nukes end up, by default, with Russia?

I explained that.

 

[OHvol40]

Crossing the Atlantic went from an impossibility to a regular thing, even if it took months.

Warfare went from men stabbing each other with swords, to muskets.

It's not like there was no innovation, or that none of them were inventive themselves. They would have known change is coming even if they couldnt predict the outcome.

Right, but their perceptions about alliances were based on their reality. Their reality was creating a nation of a former colony that was isolated by oceans, power dynamics of 18th century Europe, and an agricultural export economy. Their reality did not include the industrial revolution, WWII, oil dependence, a post-industrial consumer economy, getting anywhere on the globe in less than a day, the Internet, cell phones, or thousands of other eventualities.

 

[OHvol40]

They knew that entangling alliances would be a determinant to us. They were right about that.

They knew political parties would be a determinant to us even though they didnt exist. They were right about that.

Political parties were already forming in their time, that was no giant leap and didn’t require much foresight.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I explained that.

Your “explanation” was total bull **** and completely rejected as it had no merit just like the rest of your body of work Larry.

 

[luthervol]

He wanted a strong centralized government.

That's because he knew it was absolutely essential. He also wanted to leave things like the bill of rights up to the states.

 

[LouderVol]

I explained that.

How the russians got access to the nukes while all the other soviet equipment wound up with the host nations? The ukrainians may not have been able to launch. But that doesnt mean they couldnt have used the warheads on other ICBMs or missiles, or made them dirty bomb landmines along the russian border.

 

[volgr]

Your “explanation” was total bull **** and completely rejected as it had no merit just like the rest of your body of work Larry.

You mean your source that said, "while not explicitly stated" or your non-rebuttal to my proving Ukraine didnt have nukes to give up as they were Soviet nukes under Soviet control to which Ukraine had no ability nor infrastructure to use or maintain them. Yeah, as usual your confident stupidity got the best of you.

 

[volgr]

The ukrainians may not have been able to launch. But that doesnt mean they couldnt have used the warheads on other ICBMs or missiles, or made them dirty bomb landmines along the russian border.

No, they couldnt.

 

[volgr]

That's because he knew it was absolutely essential. He also wanted to leave things like the bill of rights up to the states.

Was that before or after he was laughed out of the room at the Constitutional Convention for advocating to setup a quasi monarchy.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You mean your source that said, "while not explicitly stated" or your non-rebuttal to my proving Ukraine didnt have nukes to give up as they were Soviet nukes under Soviet control to which Ukraine had no ability nor infrastructure to use or maintain them. Yeah, as usual your confident stupidity got the best of you.

Yes the source that participated in the negotiations and clearly stated that while US lawyers did what lawyers do and soft sold it we clearly as well as the UK have obligations on assistance including lethal aid. And you’re still assigning ownership of Ukrainian property to an entity that no longer existed while totally ignoring the fact that the follow on closest replacement in fact agreed to and signed the memorandum… and then broke it in royal fashion at least three times 20 years later. And I don’t see any assertion of the follow on entity claiming those nukes either thus your useless assignment 20 years later rewriting history is rather stupid. I’m not interested in your rationalizing why they could break the agreement they are irrelevant. They signed it then tore it up.

And your last sentence is rich Larry based on the blow back you always receive have you had a memorial yet for your bathtub toy Moskva?

 

[luthervol]

Was that before or after he was laughed out of the room at the Constitutional Convention for advocating to setup a quasi monarchy.

That was during the time he was writing 60 of the 85 Federalist Papers.

 

[Burhead]

They raised the Victory Banner.

Funny they raise the Soviet Victory Flag and fly Soviet flags on their tanks. Wonder why that is? Maybe deep down the goal is really to put the band back together, by force if necessary.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I keep getting told that Russia does not equal Soviet, so why would Soviet nukes end up, by default, with Russia?

Just because the Russians are flying the old Soviet flag into battle and erecting monuments to Lenin where they can doesn't mean they are Soviets. SO russophobic!!

 

[volgr]

Yes the source that participated in the negotiations and clearly stated that while US lawyers did what lawyers do and soft sold it

Thanks, no further questions your Honor.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Day 55 of tiny Pootins 3 day war..

 

[FLVOL_79]

LOL

Russia issues new warning about Finland, Sweden joining Nato

What are the consequences that Russia is talking about? Does Russia plan to lose worse than in Ukraine?? haha

Ivan Orcovsky of the USSRussia MoD states "If Sweden and Finland join evil western death cult Satanists NATO we warn them that we will let them kick the sh!t out of us as well!".

 

[volgr]

That was during the time he was writing 60 of the 85 Federalist Papers.

Hamilton was a snake.

 

[KnoxLandcruiser]

Day 55 of tiny Pootins 3 day war..

Putting the special in special military operation...

 

[NorthDallas40]

Thanks, no further questions your Honor.

Russia signed the memorandum and then Putin tore it up 20 years later. That’s an irrefutable fact. Suck it Larry.

 

[luthervol]

Hamilton was a snake.

He was certainly no Putin.

 

[MontyPython]

Over 500 Russian tanks now confirmed lost to Ukraine. 3000+ vehicles.

All part of Putin's 4D master chess plan.

 

[volgr]

Funny they raise the Soviet Victory Flag and fly Soviet flags on their tanks. Wonder why that is? Maybe deep down the goal is really to put the band back together, by force if necessary.

Could be the same reason some still fly the Confederate flag.

 

[LouderVol]

No, they couldnt.

Why not?

You claim to explain stuff and leave it at a fifth graders "nu uh".

 

[NorthDallas40]

Could be the same reason some still fly the Confederate flag.

Is any combat unit flying the confederate flag or raising it over government offices and saluting it Larry?

And again why did Russia sign an agreement they didn’t have to sign? You keep avoiding that point Larry

 

[NorthDallas40]

Why not?

You claim to explain stuff and leave it at a fifth graders "nu uh".

5th grader is generous. Kindergarten tempter pouting tantrum tops.