War in Ukraine

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PEPPERJAX said:
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I keep thinking it was @Orangeburst hes always busting my arse with stuff like that šŸ˜‚
 
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volgr said:
We can agree to disagree on a lot of things...but surely we can all agree lighting $3.4B on fire in the form of Ukrainian support, when our Country has been wrecked financially by Covid the last couple years, is ludicrous...

The fact many in the GOP support this, will be the reason they don't take massive amounts of seats in November. This isn't America First.
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Maybe theyā€™re looking back to the Budapest Memorandum and remembering the obligations we signed on to including lethal aid.
 
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volgr said:
We can agree to disagree on a lot of things...but surely we can all agree lighting $3.4B on fire in the form of Ukrainian support, when our Country has been wrecked financially by Covid the last couple years, is ludicrous...

The fact many in the GOP support this, will be the reason they don't take massive amounts of seats in November. This isn't America First.
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We could liquidate the $100 billion in Russian foreign currency assets we have frozen and this thing more then pays for itself.
 
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volgr said:
Offff course you misinterpret the Budapest Memorandum. We are under no obligation. That is ridiculous.
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LMAO Iā€™m shocked you would make such a false and disingenuous statement šŸ˜‚šŸ¤”

Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia's invasion torn it up?

According to a former US diplomat who participated in the talks, Steven Pifer, it was understood that if there was a violation, there would be a response incumbent on the US and the UK. And while that response was not explicitly defined, Pifer notes that: ā€œthere is an obligation on the United States that flows from the Budapest Memorandum to provide assistance to Ukraine, and [ā€¦] that would include lethal military assistance
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If only we hadnā€™t provided guarantees in the Budapest Memorandum including up thru lethal aidā€¦

BTW your Mother Russia signed that too and has broken it at least three times now.
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Ohh boy, the dog has found a new toy to play with. Now we get to debate the nuclear weapons Ukraine never had that they somehow then gave up to which they would get make believe security obligations. Good Lord.
 
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volgr said:
Ohh boy, the dog has found a new toy to play with. Now we get to debate the nuclear weapons Ukraine never had that they somehow then gave up to which they would get make believe security obligations. Good Lord.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Better go get the latest talking points from Putin I canā€™t wait to hear your spin on this šŸ˜‚
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Apparently, the "Zelensky is a midget cokehead" troll wasn't working so they've been instructed to pivot.
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Heā€™s scrurried back to troll base for new orders.

Troll Major! Theyā€™ve invoked the Budapest agreement which the prior spineless ā€œleadersā€ of glorious Mother Russia signed! What do we do now?!
 
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volgr said:
Ohh boy, the dog has found a new toy to play with. Now we get to debate the nuclear weapons Ukraine never had that they somehow then gave up to which they would get make believe security obligations. Good Lord.
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Volgr, I will admit that I am impressed with your continued commitment to such an idiotic position. Itā€™s no wonder Mao exploited such youthful, blind naivety.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Heā€™s scrurried back to troll base for new orders.

Troll Major! Theyā€™ve invoked the Budapest agreement which the prior spineless ā€œleadersā€ of glorious Mother Russia signed! What do we do now?!
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Regardless of whether the Ukraine had nukes or not (I can't imagine the Soviet government didn't have nukes there when it toppled), the Russians signed off on the agreement. Seems pretty stupid to give concessions for something you are not actually getting. As I understand it, the Russian propaganda probably relies on the fact that Ukraine had the weapons, but no launch codes or whatever operational authority they needed to launch them.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Better go get the latest talking points from Putin I canā€™t wait to hear your spin on this šŸ˜‚
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No spin needed. Ukraine never had nukes to give up. They were Soviet nukes that were still under Soviet control at that time. Ukraine had no way to use them, maintain them, and had no infrastructure or money to fund the needed infrastructure, etc. Had Ukraine tried to gain control of them, Russia would have quickly put an end to it. So this ridiculous notion that Ukraine "gave up nukes for security obligations" is a total misread of history.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Regardless of whether the Ukraine had nukes or not (I can't imagine the Soviet government didn't have nukes there when it toppled), the Russians signed off on the agreement. Seems pretty stupid to give concessions for something you are not actually getting. As I understand it, the Russian propaganda probably relies on the fact that Ukraine had the weapons, but no launch codes or whatever operational authority they needed to launch them.
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Oh Ukraine definitely had nukes. In fact they came to Oak Ridge to be deconstructed once the agreement was executed. The day after the USSR broke up Ukraine was the third most powerful nuke arsenal on the planet I believe. What is debated is how much ability Ukraine would have had to employ them in that inherited state but they absolutely existed.

And yes. Russia signed the agreement guaranteeing Ukraineā€™s security. And then that asshat Putin eventually assumed power and ripped it up 20 years after it went into effect.
 
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volgr said:
No spin needed. Ukraine never had nukes to give up. They were Soviet nukes that were still under Soviet control at that time. Ukraine had no way to use them, maintain them, and had no infrastructure or money to fund the needed infrastructure, etc. Had Ukraine tried to gain control of them, Russia would have quickly put an end to it. So this ridiculous notion that Ukraine "gave up nukes for security obligations" is a total misread of history.
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Got your talking points huh? Well too bad they suck. Ukraine had the nukes. They were theirs. Period. That isnā€™t event debatable. The entity the owned them before didnā€™t exist anymore. However the new entity that was formed did sign the agreement to guarantee Ukraineā€™s safety. That is fact. And all you can do is try to sell why it was ok for them to break that agreement. And nobody other than you specific Three Stooges will buy it, Larry. šŸ¤”
 
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