War in Ukraine

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VolStrom said:
If the US military was blessed with a loss of 8 generals in 51 days I would be elated, especially if they are the woke idiots like Milley and the sec of defense (what's his name) that his boss can never remember.
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I get your sentiment but this statement is well out of bounds. I cannot see how real Americans could ever wish the death of their own military leaders at the hands of a foreign nation.

Now if you had said that AMERICA should try these woke generals and hang them for treason for destroying our military capability, well...that would be quite different.
 
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EasternVol said:
But they won in WWII. And winning is the point.
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Won what? The allies caved to their demands because they were tired of fighting and had to finish off the Japanese halfway across the globe. You misspelled the US, British, and Russians won in Europe. The US did nearly all of the heavy lifting against the Japanese while fighting the Germans.
 
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EasternVol said:
US industry had a lot to do with the result. But it was the Russians fighting and winning on the Eastern Front.
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US industry determined the result. It was a war of attrition that Germany couldn’t keep up with. Russia pounded their face against Germany’s fist until their hand broke. That isn’t prowess that’s just a willingness to throw meat into the meat grinder until it clogs up. Lots of … “skill” there.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Won what? The allies caved to their demands because they were tired of fighting and had to finish off the Japanese halfway across the globe. You misspelled the US, British, and Russians won in Europe. The US did nearly all of the heavy lifting against the Japanese while fighting the Germans.
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The goalposts are migrating rapidly this year. Yeah to all that, but the Russians won the fighting on the Eastern Front, so they won. The other Allies won their theaters too.
 
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EasternVol said:
The goalposts are migrating rapidly this year. Yeah to all that, but the Russians won the fighting on the Eastern Front, so they won. The other Allies won their theaters too.
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The goal posts related to Russia sucking at any military skill and leadership are fully in tact despite your efforts to bob and weave around them to try and offer up silly definitions of military leadership
 
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EasternVol said:
US industry had a lot to do with the result. But it was the Russians fighting and winning on the Eastern Front.
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Complete nonsense, the Russians would have fallen without the support of the allies. It’s hard to claim victory with a nearly 10-1 casualty ratio with the Germans. They simply had the manpower to withstand poor tactics, nothing more
 
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EasternVol said:
Read again
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I did.

“Assad is still there no?”

That’s pretty blatantly a reference to Syria in a discussion about the Russian military that is occurring.

Or are you saying you incorrectly brought up Syria in the discussion and saying the Russian military isn’t fighting?
 
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landscapingvol said:
Russia would have fallen to the Germans in WW2 without supplies from the allies and Hitler’s meddling. They were essentially saved by the weather against Napoleon and Hitler. They employed extremely poor tactics and simply overwhelmed the Germans with sheer numbers with no consideration for Russian infantry losses. They employed the same basic tactics in WW1 with little to no consideration for Russian infantry losses.
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Of course they got a lot of outside material, but it was the Russian military that beat the Germans The Russian winter is the Russian winter. That shouldn't have come as any surprise to the Germans. They tried biting off more than they could chew.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
US industry determined the result. It was a war of attrition that Germany couldn’t keep up with. Russia pounded their face against Germany’s fist until their hand broke. That isn’t prowess that’s just a willingness to throw meat into the meat grinder until it clogs up. Lots of … “skill” there.
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Who mentioned prowess or skill? I never said their strategy was brilliant. I said they won the Eastern Front.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I did.

“Assad is still there no?”

That’s pretty blatantly a reference to Syria in a discussion about the Russian military that is occurring.

Or are you saying you incorrectly brought up Syria in the discussion and saying the Russian military isn’t fighting?
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Sure thing Sherlock. To what post did I reply?
 
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EasternVol said:
But they won.
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Ah so you are claiming the end result of victory points to some skill or prowess in their part! That is your whole point.

We won too. As did Britain, Australia, New Zealand, France… ok not France they got their asses kicked.

And they all did it largely with our equipment. Russia absolutely did. They merely outlasted whomever they faced by attrition. There is no skill there.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Russia would have fallen to the Germans in WW2 without supplies from the allies and Hitler’s meddling. They were essentially saved by the weather against Napoleon and Hitler. They employed extremely poor tactics and simply overwhelmed the Germans with sheer numbers with no consideration for Russian infantry losses. They employed the same basic tactics in WW1 with little to no consideration for Russian infantry losses.
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Good to see they’ve evolved in the past 100 years.👀
 
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Velo Vol said:
Of course they got a lot of outside material, but it was the Russian military that beat the Germans The Russian winter is the Russian winter. That shouldn't have come as any surprise to the Germans.
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The Russian winters beat the Germans along with Hitler’s meddling in Stalingrad. The Russian military took casualties at an appalling rate and simply overwhelmed them with material. Had Hitler bypassed Stalingrad, the war would have been essentially over. The only thing the Russians get credit for is having a massive population comparatively and a willingness to expend them all, nothing more.
 
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