War in Ukraine

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Gandalf said:
I dont think people understand that what we are witnessing is war at a new level of psyops. Can you imagine if everyone of our soldiers in Iraq who died, their family was contacted by al queda before the family even knew they were dead? Granted, it wouldnt happen with USA much since we famously "never leave a man behind" but still.

I think we are going to see war waged here in ways that redefine the "information age". My concern is that Russia decides to go back to the old ways and simply bomb things to oblivion. Nukes are not needed. they could do a lot just running bombers. Second concern is that since this is the first time modern major states are going to war with each other (via proxy), we are seeing it evolve with new methods that will outlast this conflict.
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Just like the good old CW days, and even in the past and current ME, war by proxy.
 
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#25,980
Gandalf said:
I dont think people understand that what we are witnessing is war at a new level of psyops. Can you imagine if everyone of our soldiers in Iraq who died, their family was contacted by al queda before the family even knew they were dead? Granted, it wouldnt happen with USA much since we famously "never leave a man behind" but still.

I think we are going to see war waged here in ways that redefine the "information age". My concern is that Russia decides to go back to the old ways and simply bomb things to oblivion. Nukes are not needed. they could do a lot just running bombers. Second concern is that since this is the first time modern major states are going to war with each other (via proxy), we are seeing it evolve with new methods that will outlast this conflict.
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Valid concerns. But, if Russia *could* bomb things to oblivion, rest assured they already would have.

Kyiv is basically 100% intact.

Turns out Russia was a paper tiger. They're losing badly and Putin is likely reaching desperation time.
 
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Gandalf said:
I dont think people understand that what we are witnessing is war at a new level of psyops. Can you imagine if everyone of our soldiers in Iraq who died, their family was contacted by al queda before the family even knew they were dead? Granted, it wouldnt happen with USA much since we famously "never leave a man behind" but still.

I think we are going to see war waged here in ways that redefine the "information age". My concern is that Russia decides to go back to the old ways and simply bomb things to oblivion. Nukes are not needed. they could do a lot just running bombers. Second concern is that since this is the first time modern major states are going to war with each other (via proxy), we are seeing it evolve with new methods that will outlast this conflict.
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That technology existed when we were in Iraq and Afghanistan. It isn’t new. The US is just better at fighting than the Russians. It is what it is. The Russian military is vastly overrated. The US would steamroll Ukraine
 
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Orangeburst said:
I have seen crab landings, but a crab takeoff!
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All the main gear on the Buff are steerable. Crabbed takeoffs are the norm in fact it was designed to do it. Another freaky thing is with all those flaps out when it gets airborne the AoA is modified so much by the flaps that the thing looks nose down.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
All the main gear on the Buff are steerable. Crabbed takeoffs are the norm in fact it was designed to do it. Another freaky thing is with all those flaps out when it gets airborne the AoA is modified so much by the flaps that the thing looks nose down.
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All this B-52 discussion requires a reference to Dr Strangelove. So here it is.

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US releases robotic Kraken thingee that goes boom.

Mysterious American robotic ships headed to Ukraine

"...“It’s an unmanned surface vessel (USV) that can be used for a variety of purposes in coastal defense. I think I’ll just leave it at that,” Kirby told reporters.

He said the systems are coming from Navy stocks.

When pressed for more details, Kirby said: “I’m not gonna promise you a fact sheet [but] I can promise you the damn thing works.”

Kirby was later asked if the systems will be armed.

“They’re designed to help Ukraine with its coastal defense needs. And I think I’m just going to leave it at that. I’m not going to get into the specific capabilities,” he said.

Kirby was also asked if the vessels will be coming from Navy prototype programs, when they are expected to arrive in Ukraine waters, and whether they are intended to attack Russian vessels.

“As I can get you more information about actual deliveries, we’ll do that. I’m just not in a position to do that. The authorization just came down yesterday. And we’re working very hard at sourcing these things and getting them on the way to Ukraine as quickly as possible,” he replied.

He continued: “I’m not going to talk about the specific capabilities of these USVs. I’ve talked about them to the degree that we’re going to go.”

A senior defense official, speaking to reporters on condition of anonymity, declined to say more about the system itself, but did note that some Ukrainian personnel have already been trained to use it.

FedScoop sent a list of questions to the Navy to try to learn more about the system, but a service spokesperson said they could not provide any of the information requested.

A spokesperson for the White House’s National Security Council referred FedScoop to the Pentagon."
 
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MontyPython said:
Valid concerns. But, if Russia *could* bomb things to oblivion, rest assured they already would have.

Kyiv is basically 100% intact.

Turns out Russia was a paper tiger. They're losing badly and Putin is likely reaching desperation time.
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Things are clearly not going according to plan for Ivan but don’t be fooled. If they decide to, there is a lot more that they could drop on Ukraine. They have vast stock of stupid bombs that could flatten Kyiv 10x over and many Tupolev high altitude strategic bombers that can deliver them. So far, they have not been using them in Liu of artillery but that could easily change.
 
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MontyPython said:
Valid concerns. But, if Russia *could* bomb things to oblivion, rest assured they already would have.

Kyiv is basically 100% intact.

Turns out Russia was a paper tiger. They're losing badly and Putin is likely reaching desperation time.
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I would guess that it's far from over. It will be interesting to see how things play out in the east.
 
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landscapingvol said:
That technology existed when we were in Iraq and Afghanistan. It isn’t new. The US is just better at fighting than the Russians. It is what it is. The Russian military is vastly overrated. The US would steamroll Ukraine
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Yep.
Phase 1 - Achieve air superiority/collect underpants. After that just ease yourself in.
Phase 2. ?
Phase 3 - Do what you want/profit

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The Russians boggled this entire war they decided to fight. At one point they bombed some communications equipment that they themselves needed for their secure comm..after that all of their communications have been intercepted.
 
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Gandalf said:
Things are clearly not going according to plan for Ivan but don’t be fooled. If they decide to, there is a lot more that they could drop on Ukraine. They have vast stock of stupid bombs that could flatten Kyiv 10x over and many Tupolev high altitude strategic bombers that can deliver them. So far, they have not been using them in Liu of artillery but that could easily change.
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Respectfully disagree. If Russia could bomb Kyiv they definitely would. They can't because the AA defense there is the strongest in all of Ukraine. The S300s and other systems would take out any Ruskie bombers.
 
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Gandalf said:
Things are clearly not going according to plan for Ivan but don’t be fooled. If they decide to, there is a lot more that they could drop on Ukraine. They have vast stock of stupid bombs that could flatten Kyiv 10x over and many Tupolev high altitude strategic bombers that can deliver them. So far, they have not been using them in Liu of artillery but that could easily change.
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Respectfully disagree. If Russia could bomb Kyiv they definitely would. They can't because the AA defense there is the strongest in all of Ukraine. The S300s and other systems would take out any Ruskie bombers.
 
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MontyPython said:
US releases robotic Kraken thingee that goes boom.

Mysterious American robotic ships headed to Ukraine

"...“It’s an unmanned surface vessel (USV) that can be used for a variety of purposes in coastal defense. I think I’ll just leave it at that,” Kirby told reporters.

He said the systems are coming from Navy stocks.

When pressed for more details, Kirby said: “I’m not gonna promise you a fact sheet [but] I can promise you the damn thing works.”

Kirby was later asked if the systems will be armed.

“They’re designed to help Ukraine with its coastal defense needs. And I think I’m just going to leave it at that. I’m not going to get into the specific capabilities,” he said.

Kirby was also asked if the vessels will be coming from Navy prototype programs, when they are expected to arrive in Ukraine waters, and whether they are intended to attack Russian vessels.

“As I can get you more information about actual deliveries, we’ll do that. I’m just not in a position to do that. The authorization just came down yesterday. And we’re working very hard at sourcing these things and getting them on the way to Ukraine as quickly as possible,” he replied.

He continued: “I’m not going to talk about the specific capabilities of these USVs. I’ve talked about them to the degree that we’re going to go.”

A senior defense official, speaking to reporters on condition of anonymity, declined to say more about the system itself, but did note that some Ukrainian personnel have already been trained to use it.

FedScoop sent a list of questions to the Navy to try to learn more about the system, but a service spokesperson said they could not provide any of the information requested.

A spokesperson for the White House’s National Security Council referred FedScoop to the Pentagon."
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It’s not that “ mysterious “ you can find articles on it from a couple of years ago when they were spotted here in Norfolk . Im pretty sure ( if it’s the same type ) that they listed the contractor. Not sure what they named it , but it wasn’t “ thingy “ lol
 
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