Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

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And I’m ready to go back to when we had a real “Tennessee Football Talk Forum”

That’s in the Football Forum.
You are currently in the Recruiting Forum Football thread that has subclasses for every sport or even every random topic other than politics or Covid. 😎


Could one of the RF ushers please escort this gentleperson over to the FF ? Obviously wandered into the incorrect location for his/her/it’s/their particular needs.😇5D75B71D-6834-49DF-80C7-E17E1EBF4DE3.gif

@oldmanvol entering the RF football talk forum…
 
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Teams on this list that shouldn't be above TN (or on the list at all):
Florida
Miss State
Kentucky
LSU
Auburn

3 of those have coaching staff turnover. 2 of them have significant roster turnover. 4 of them are very unpredictable entering the season. 3 have lost their primary starting QB from 2021.

Only 1, Mississippi State, has coaching staff and roster stability. Only Kentucky and Miss State have retained starting QBs.

Tennessee has coaching & roster stability and is returning the starting QB. Considering they beat UK and Miss State didn't really out perform the Vols last season, I would expect UT to be ahead of all the aforementioned schools in preseason rankings.

Also, preseason rankings are stupid. They should wait until at least the 3rd weekend before ranking anybody.
All of that information is correct but it only matters to Tennessee fans. The guys who put together the top 25 list were probably trying to get a rise out of UT fans and it appears to have worked :cool::cool:. The season will tell a much different story though
 
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That’s in the Football Forum.
You are currently in the Recruiting Forum Football thread that has subclasses for every sport or even every random topic other than politics or Covid. 😎


Could one of the RF ushers please escort this gentleperson over to the FF ? Obviously wandered into the incorrect location for his/her/it’s/their particular needs.😇
He needs to take some of his friends with him when he goes :):)
 
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These models use a collection of variables to try to predict mostly offensive scoring and defensive scoring. Some also include special teams.

For example, SP+ says that we will have the 3rd best offense in the nation and average 41.6 points per game. It says we will have the 42nd best defense and give up 22.9 points per game on average. Subtract defense from offense, 41.6 - 22.9 = 18.7. That 18.7 is our SP+ rating. It is a handicapping tool. If we're playing a team that has a rating of 10.0 then on a neutral field we would be favored by 8.7 points.. The models rank us by our rating not by how many games we're expected to win.

Everyone has their own models so they have different approaches of trying to figure out how many points our offense will score and how many points/game our defense will give up. FPI gives a team 3.3 "extra" points for a returning QB. They also factor in stability at the head coach position. They factor in how many days of rest (bye week) and how far a team has to travel. They claim all their variables lead to a more accurate handicapping tool. Models include returning production and recruiting/talent among other things. Most models also now include transfer players added to a roster (usually at a discounted value). Again, all they're trying to do is predict the outcome of individual games.

Most models, and especially ESPN's FPI, see tremendous movement with a lot of teams after week 1 of a new season. Teams can move as much as 20 +/- spots up or down depending on how week 1 plays out across the college football landscape and strength of schedules are updated with real time results. The largest movements happen in week 1 and movement in the ranking is increasingly less as the season progresses.

I think they are probably close to the same number for our defense as Connelly. I think where SP+ differs from FPI in our case is projecting our scoring offense. So for example say we scored an average of 40 points per game last year and the 3 prior years on offense we scored an average of 20 points. Most recent year accounts for more than the 3 prior years but the 3 prior years still count. So 40*0.67 + 20*0.33 = 33.4 points per game on average. I think that's essentially the difference this year for us with FPI vs SP+. jmo.

FPI has our rating at 9.7. Last year we finished at 9.3. In 2020 we finished at 3.0. In 2019 we finished at 7.8 and in 2018 we finished at 1.2. Right now FPI believes our offensive scoring last year was an outlier based on recent history. They think we'll be marginally better this year than last year but not by much. I disagree but whatever. They gon' learn. jmo.

Could you please use more visual models? Maybe models holding up the charts that you often reference? 😇
 
Was that the receiver that flipped on us to FSU? And then we replaced the spot he left with Tillman? Man, what a trade off that was.
Right. We "found him"...he accepted the boosting from our attention, then leveraged it to run away to FSU who had just won a title 4 years prior.

Great tradeoff indeed.
 
Wife and I have been watching enough Vols baseball that she suggested we go to a Georgia Southern game. My first time here. Eagles are down 2-0 heading to the 3rd, if you’re curious. View attachment 447508

Headed to cover UT, Arlington baseball. Nice weather for a baseball game. 🤠
 
Teams on this list that shouldn't be above TN (or on the list at all):
Florida
Miss State
Kentucky
LSU
Auburn

3 of those have coaching staff turnover. 2 of them have significant roster turnover. 4 of them are very unpredictable entering the season. 3 have lost their primary starting QB from 2021.

Only 1, Mississippi State, has coaching staff and roster stability. Only Kentucky and Miss State have retained starting QBs.

Tennessee has coaching & roster stability and is returning the starting QB. Considering they beat UK and Miss State didn't really out perform the Vols last season, I would expect UT to be ahead of all the aforementioned schools in preseason rankings.

Also, preseason rankings are stupid. They should wait until at least the 3rd weekend before ranking anybody.
One of the reasons we aren't on the list is because we haven't made noise with the transfer portal yet.
 
Who would have guessed the same 4 teams with the highest %. De Javu
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Nobody is more over-ranked year after year than Notre Dame. I don't even remember the last time they met preseason expectations.

They always manage to make it far because of weak competition, and then get boat raced by any other top ranked team.
 
Nobody is more over-ranked year after year than Notre Dame. I don't even remember the last time they met preseason expectations.

They always manage to make it far because of weak competition, and then get boat raced by any other top ranked team.

Tejas is just as
Over ranked as notre dame…
 
Who would have guessed the same 4 teams with the highest %. De Javu
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ESPN is burying themselves with terrible recruiting coverage, terrible matchup predictions, and terrible coverage in general. They've gotten fat and lazy from being the King for so long. Wish there was someone to take the throne from them.
 
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