War in Ukraine

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Burhead said:
So we’ve given Ukraine 1/3 of our Javelin stockpile and 1/4 of our Stinger inventory.
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We dont really need them. The US gains air superiority immediately which usually involves wrecking the sh!t that the javelins would be used for.

But I can promise we have more, and better stuff than what we are giving away.
 
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So, do we want to talk about why Ukraine bombed it's own people...or do we want to pretend it was Russia?
 
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Unfortunately, Ukraine losses will be much worse than even these numbers from Mariupol, in Donbas. US/NATO shrugs their shoulders as money and arms continue to flow into Ukraine while pumping the west full of propaganda that Ukraine might win...evil and cowardly.
 
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volgr said:
Unfortunately, Ukraine losses will be much worse than even these numbers from Mariupol, in Donbas. US/NATO shrugs their shoulders as money and arms continue to flow into Ukraine while pumping the west full of propaganda that Ukraine might win...evil and cowardly.
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There you go setting values for other countries. You say you want self determination until it comes to Ukraine.
 
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landscapingvol said:
NATO is a colossal waste of money for the US, it is an outdated alliance that quite frankly most of Europe has relied on for way too much in terms of defense against Russia. Europe needs to form a defensive alliance on their own against Russia and let the US, Japan, South Korea, and Australia worry about China or North Korea. We cannot continue to afford to prop up many of them militarily when they are more than capable of doing it themselves including our nuclear arsenal.
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LOL
We don’t spend on our military because of NATO. We spend because to make defense contractors rich.

And NATO has certainly been the best deterrent to Moscow’s aggression. It’s much cheaper if we spend money to deter Moscow than to try to launch a giant counter offensive after the war has already begun.
 
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tvolsfan said:
LOL
We don’t spend on our military because of NATO. We spend because to make defense contractors rich.

And NATO has certainly been the best deterrent to Moscow’s aggression.
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Has is the operative word. It outlived it's purpose when the Soviet Union collapsed.
 
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tvolsfan said:
LOL
We don’t spend on our military because of NATO. We spend because to make defense contractors rich.

And NATO has certainly been the best deterrent to Moscow’s aggression. It’s much cheaper if we spend money to deter Moscow than to try to launch a giant counter offensive after the war has already begun.
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Odd take..I get the MIC, but by giving the Ukrainians our weapons this seems to support that you favor making the MIC rich
 
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tvolsfan said:
Not sure if you're being serious.

It's pretty clear that Putin's territorial ambitions lay outside of just Ukraine. NATO is the only reason Putin hasn't tried to "protect ethnic Russians" in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.
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You mean that if there were a European security pact within the EU he wouldn't be dissuaded? Europe has gotten a free ride from us since WWII and it's past time they paid for their own defense.
 
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