War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
While not my guy, I think Putin has been clear for years what he wants out of Ukraine.
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Well, yeah, Pootin wants all of Ukraine for the resources, the farmland, the Black Sea access. It's like Hitler's lebensraum except more greedy. Besides an annexed Ukriane would mean those countries like Poland should leave NATO because they threaten the expanded Russian motherland. Pootin's rule is like a 5 year old and game rules - flexible as long as they are what he wants.
 
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USF grad in TN said:
Russia’s war against Ukraine Daily updates as Moscow’s full-scale invasion enters its second month — Meduza

A blueprint for genocide in Ukraine
In a shocking essay that openly advocates the “de-Ukrainianization of Ukraine,” columnist Timofei Sergeitsev offers what is essentially a blueprint for the genocide of Russia’s neighbor. In the text (published as an op-ed by the state-run news agency RIA Novosti), he develops ideas about the illegitimacy of Ukrainian statehood that Vladimir Putin has endorsed, adding that most of Ukraine’s population has “passively” enabled a “Nazi regime.”

To rectify this supposed situation, Sergeitsev proposes “reeducation” built on “ideological repression” that features control of the mass media and school curriculum, among other things. (He clarifies, however, that Ukraine’s “Banderite” high command and any “hopeless Nazis” should be “liquidated” outright.) Sergeitsev insists that Ukraine must lose its sovereignty in this process, which will last at least a generation. Russia has to manage this process, he says, claiming that Ukraine’s “artificial ethnocentrism” is a perversion of Greater Russia’s “natural borders.”

Sergeitsev concludes by claiming that Russia is actually the world’s last defender of “historical European values,” having performed selfless services to the West by developing socialism, defeating German fascism, and offering its friendship to the West in the 1990s. He also argues that Russia will now turn from the West and embark on its own path as a “leader in the global process of decolonization.” Given the West’s efforts to “tempt” Ukraine, Russia’s actions there now also constitute a form of decolonization, Sergeitsev says.
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There's real genius in that. Just claim that for example Ukraine is a country colonized by Ukrainians, and if you kill off the Ukrainian colonizers, you set Ukraine free. Fits right in with the old Soviet sponsored "wars of independence" concept.
 
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It is simply amazing the job our media and White House are doing in pushing these false narratives. I didn't think they could outdo the COVID hysteria, but they turned the knob past 10 on this Ukraine stuff. They are all in.
 
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Paper_Towel said:
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This is what volgr supports. He's propping up the propoganda machine that led it's people to believe this crap. I see very clear, distinct parallels in the attitudes of these Russians to the people of Germany during the Nazi rise to power towards Jews and others.

I remember towards the beginning of the war a link to a video on social media with a woman claiming that the Russian goal was to kill 60% of the population. I was skeptical of that claim at the time and dismissed it. But after seeing this I'm not sure I would dismiss that claim, or at the very least I could see why Ukrainians would believe that given the Russian attitude toward them.

If this is how many, if not most Russians feel then they are a problem for the world that will have to be met sooner or later.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Jimmy Dore? Lmao a guy who helped found The Young Turks
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He left The Young Turks and has been on his own for awhile now. Jimmy is actually what I would consider anti- establishment left and has stayed true in his views over the years. I respect him a lot more than I do anyone on the mainstream media. I don't agree with all of his views but I don't have to in order to like and respect someone.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is simply amazing the job our media and White House are doing in pushing these false narratives. I didn't think they could outdo the COVID hysteria, but they turned the knob past 10 on this Ukraine stuff. They are all in.
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You dont even have to look at the mainstream media for the right information. Its a social media frenzy like nothing we have seen before. And the thing is, you get both sides of the story and the correct conclusion is easily formulated. All these people involved are uploading their own clips of whats going on. I've seen Russians committing war crimes, Georgian volunteers committing war crimes (fighting for Ukraine), Russians shooting stuff down, Ukraine shooting a ton of stuff down, tank battles, infantry battles, Chechens fighting on both sides, ambushes, retreats, POWs, cartloads of bodies, and Russians troops littering the roads. I have found that the Russians leaving behind so many of their dead is a direct reflection of their piss poor military training.

Of course now that Russian is retreating and everyone knows what they did they have begun to recycle old training footage and falsely repurpose it into "new" footage of their good deeds in Russia. One of Russia's largest mistake was assuming everyone else in the world is as dumb as they are and as easily controlled as their own population. This has nothing on the Covid hysteria.
 
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"This has arguably been the most successful intelligence operation in military history and it's really tremendous. Someday that story will be told."

- Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley on the war in Ukraine, April 5, 2022
 
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MontyPython said:
"This has arguably been the most successful intelligence operation in military history and it's really tremendous. Someday that story will be told."

- Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley on the war in Ukraine, April 5, 2022
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What the heck is that supposed to mean? Coming from him it’s hard to tell.
 
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My guess is he referring to the ability to effectively monitor all troop movements across an expansive evolving battlefield.....and then deliver that information in near real time to the ukraine side. That's my guess. Of course, it's Milley, so it could be that the latest full color, multi-lingual, gender-fluid, army recruiting pamphlet is about to drop.
 
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DonjoVol said:
He left The Young Turks and has been on his own for awhile now. Jimmy is actually what I would consider anti- establishment left and has stayed true in his views over the years. I respect him a lot more than I do anyone on the mainstream media. I don't agree with all of his views but I don't have to in order to like and respect someone.
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Yea he also voted for John MCCain and Bernie Sanders. Don’t be duped by those using conspiracy theories to make $$$ off of easily manipulated saps
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Yea he also voted for John MCCain and Bernie Sanders. Don’t be duped by those using conspiracy theories to make $$$ off of easily manipulated saps
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There are people here who also voted for Obama, Romney, Hillary and Biden.

What conspiracy theories? You mean like Russian collusion? The Hunter Biden laptop being Russian misinformation? How Ivermectin was not effective in treating covid? Trump being Hitler, a white nationalist, racist? Stirring their viewers up for the last almost 6 years and making them believe Trump is going to jail?

So you are saying the mainstream media is making money off easily manipulated saps? Thank you for clearing that up for us. I completely agree with you on that one.
 
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DonjoVol said:
There are people here who also voted for Obama, Romney, Hillary and Biden.

What conspiracy theories? You mean like Russian collusion? The Hunter Biden laptop being Russian misinformation? How Ivermectin was not effective in treating covid? Trump being Hitler, a white nationalist, racist? Stirring their viewers up for the last almost 6 years and making them believe Trump is going to jail?

So you are saying the mainstream media is making money off easily manipulated saps? Thank you for clearing that up for us. I completely agree with you on that one.
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Your problem is that you believe because the MSM can be full of sh*t, that it means other kooks and bots are reliable narrators. That’s a fallacy.
just because Russian bot guy, YouTube sovereign citizen felon boy, and a Bulgarian Soviet hedge fund guy post a video or tweet, doesn’t mean they are telling the truth because they have agendas as well.
 
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KnoxLandcruiser said:
My guess is he referring to the ability to effectively monitor all troop movements across an expansive evolving battlefield.....and then deliver that information in near real time to the ukraine side. That's my guess. Of course, it's Milley, so it could be that the latest full color, multi-lingual, gender-fluid, army recruiting pamphlet is about to drop.
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Yea. My assumption is we have been able to supply tremendous info to the Ukrainians in very near real time. If they win this struggle, which is looking better, it probably has a lot to do with our ability to feed them info obtained by our technology.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Your problem is that you believe because the MSM can be full of sh*t, that it means other kooks and bots are reliable narrators. That’s a fallacy.
just because Russian bot guy, YouTube sovereign citizen felon boy, and a Bulgarian Soviet hedge fund guy post a video or tweet, doesn’t mean they are telling the truth because they have agendas as well.
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The MSM has constantly proven themselves to be full of BS, spread conspiracy theories, and be a propaganda machine for the democrat party. Therefore I have a valid reason not to trust or question anything they peddle. As a matter of fact I refuse to watch them any longer. I could care less who is offended by my statements either. Thankfully we have a free press and independent journalists and outlets exist in this country.
 
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