War in Ukraine

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hog88 said:
We're not paying "a little more for gas" because we're on the "right side of morality". We're paying more for gas because we are stupid, do not plan long term and have a completely corrupt federal government.
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We arent the only ones paying either. Plenty of poor Countries around the world will end up bearing a large share of this through famine and civil unrest. All of this was worth trying to prop up a corrupt govt in Ukraine so we could eff with Russia?
 
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Septic said:
Red man, is in fact - bad.

I look forward to the sanctions of putting the screws deeper into Russia - paying a little more for gas is a small price to pay for being on the right side of morality.

Hell, I welcome it and I will sleep better at night with the satisfaction that your soft ass is crying about it.
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Always interesting where the Left finds their morality.
 
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volgr said:
While not my guy, I think Putin has been clear for years what he wants out of Ukraine.
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No he hasn't. Years ago he was speaking rosily of Ukraine and their sovereignty. No ethnic issues at play. Talked of liking the Ukrainian language, though not undrstanding much. Said if he were to discover he had ukrainian ancestry it would only make him proud. Then he slowly started beating the war drums. Ukraine isn't even real. They have no disctinct culture. Their sovereignty is a fabrication. They're presided over by nazis and drug addicts genociding ethnic russians and shamefully promoting their own language, culture, values.
 
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volgr said:
While not my guy, I think Putin has been clear for years what he wants out of Ukraine.
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Without a doubt, take Ukrainians’s resources and install a puppet in Kiev who will do whatever Russia wants all in the guise of killing Nazis. That pretty much sums it up, also they are upset because the World didn’t sit by and idly watch like it did in previous Russian incursions.
 
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apevol said:
No he hasn't. Years ago he was speaking rosily of Ukraine and their sovereignty. No ethnic issues at play. Talked of liking the Ukrainian language, though not undrstanding much. Said if he were to discover he had ukrainian ancestry it would only make him proud. Then he slowly started beating the war drums. Ukraine isn't even real. They have no disctinct culture. Their sovereignty is a fabrication. They're presided over by nazis and drug addicts genociding ethnic russians and shamefully promoting their own language, culture, values.
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You think that change in Ukraine coincidentally happened as they became more friendly with NATO?
 
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War Crimes Charges Could Help Putin, Not Hurt Him

Opinion | War Crimes Charges Could Help Putin, Not Hurt Him - just a small snippet is below:

In an eye-opening account by independent Russian journalist Farida Rustamova on the tribulations of Russia’s political elites since the war, she quotes a high-ranking source in a sanctioned Russian company as saying “All these personal sanctions cement the elites. Everyone who was thinking about a new life understands that, for the next 10-15 years at least, their lives are concentrated in Russia, their children will study in Russia, their families will live in Russia. These people feel offended. They will not overthrow anyone, but will build their lives here.”

Before the war, the dominant narrative of Kremlin-controlled media was that Russia is a mighty superpower—besieged on all sides by enemies and conspirators, both Western and homegrown—and only Putin could lead them. Lamentably, the coordinated international response to Putin’s bloody war has only solidified and reinforced that us-against-the-world narrative, and largely rallied the Russian people behind Putin.

In this context, the Russian response to the accusations of genocide in Ukraine have been predictable: It is all a Western “fake” meant to further impugn the dignity of Russia and its leader. Pro-Russian social media accounts have claimed that the corpses are either fake, or are actors, or were killed after the Russians left. The Russian Defense Ministry has claimed “not a single local resident has suffered any violent action” while Bucha was under Russian control. These are all claims that have been easily debunked. By parroting the official line of the Foreign Affairs Ministry that it could not have been Russia that committed such atrocities, but rather the United States staging a “provocation,” Kremlin state-run media only reinforces and retrenches the us-against-the-world narrative already widely accepted among the Russian people.

Unfortunately, revelations of massacres in Bucha and beyond—and purported stepped-up Western sanctions—are unlikely to lead to Putin’s ouster. Like everything else we’ve seen so far in this war, Putin’s brand of autocracy is more likely than not to be able to use these allegations of atrocities to further galvanize Russian public opinion against the West and further entrench Putin in power.
 
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Gandalf said:
War Crimes Charges Could Help Putin, Not Hurt Him

Opinion | War Crimes Charges Could Help Putin, Not Hurt Him - just a small snippet is below:

In an eye-opening account by independent Russian journalist Farida Rustamova on the tribulations of Russia’s political elites since the war, she quotes a high-ranking source in a sanctioned Russian company as saying “All these personal sanctions cement the elites. Everyone who was thinking about a new life understands that, for the next 10-15 years at least, their lives are concentrated in Russia, their children will study in Russia, their families will live in Russia. These people feel offended. They will not overthrow anyone, but will build their lives here.”

Before the war, the dominant narrative of Kremlin-controlled media was that Russia is a mighty superpower—besieged on all sides by enemies and conspirators, both Western and homegrown—and only Putin could lead them. Lamentably, the coordinated international response to Putin’s bloody war has only solidified and reinforced that us-against-the-world narrative, and largely rallied the Russian people behind Putin.

In this context, the Russian response to the accusations of genocide in Ukraine have been predictable: It is all a Western “fake” meant to further impugn the dignity of Russia and its leader. Pro-Russian social media accounts have claimed that the corpses are either fake, or are actors, or were killed after the Russians left. The Russian Defense Ministry has claimed “not a single local resident has suffered any violent action” while Bucha was under Russian control. These are all claims that have been easily debunked. By parroting the official line of the Foreign Affairs Ministry that it could not have been Russia that committed such atrocities, but rather the United States staging a “provocation,” Kremlin state-run media only reinforces and retrenches the us-against-the-world narrative already widely accepted among the Russian people.

Unfortunately, revelations of massacres in Bucha and beyond—and purported stepped-up Western sanctions—are unlikely to lead to Putin’s ouster. Like everything else we’ve seen so far in this war, Putin’s brand of autocracy is more likely than not to be able to use these allegations of atrocities to further galvanize Russian public opinion against the West and further entrench Putin in power.
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Did Rasputin and Volgr write the official Kremlin response because they sound awfully similar? Asking for a friend
 
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landscapingvol said:
Without a doubt, take Ukrainians’s resources and install a puppet in Kiev who will do whatever Russia wants all in the guise of killing Nazis. That pretty much sums it up, also they are upset because the World didn’t sit by and idly watch like it did in previous Russian incursions.
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Putin has plenty of resources. Likely, when all is carved up, Russia will not hold these resources or very little of them. Also, the World IS largely sitting idly by, as the West is having a hard time finding friends to join their idiotic crusade. As China said, he who put the bell around the tiger's neck can take it off.
 
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Gandalf said:
War Crimes Charges Could Help Putin, Not Hurt Him

Opinion | War Crimes Charges Could Help Putin, Not Hurt Him - just a small snippet is below:

In an eye-opening account by independent Russian journalist Farida Rustamova on the tribulations of Russia’s political elites since the war, she quotes a high-ranking source in a sanctioned Russian company as saying “All these personal sanctions cement the elites. Everyone who was thinking about a new life understands that, for the next 10-15 years at least, their lives are concentrated in Russia, their children will study in Russia, their families will live in Russia. These people feel offended. They will not overthrow anyone, but will build their lives here.”

Before the war, the dominant narrative of Kremlin-controlled media was that Russia is a mighty superpower—besieged on all sides by enemies and conspirators, both Western and homegrown—and only Putin could lead them. Lamentably, the coordinated international response to Putin’s bloody war has only solidified and reinforced that us-against-the-world narrative, and largely rallied the Russian people behind Putin.

In this context, the Russian response to the accusations of genocide in Ukraine have been predictable: It is all a Western “fake” meant to further impugn the dignity of Russia and its leader. Pro-Russian social media accounts have claimed that the corpses are either fake, or are actors, or were killed after the Russians left. The Russian Defense Ministry has claimed “not a single local resident has suffered any violent action” while Bucha was under Russian control. These are all claims that have been easily debunked. By parroting the official line of the Foreign Affairs Ministry that it could not have been Russia that committed such atrocities, but rather the United States staging a “provocation,” Kremlin state-run media only reinforces and retrenches the us-against-the-world narrative already widely accepted among the Russian people.

Unfortunately, revelations of massacres in Bucha and beyond—and purported stepped-up Western sanctions—are unlikely to lead to Putin’s ouster. Like everything else we’ve seen so far in this war, Putin’s brand of autocracy is more likely than not to be able to use these allegations of atrocities to further galvanize Russian public opinion against the West and further entrench Putin in power.
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Yet, Russia isnt the one holding up a UN meeting on the issue and seems quite eager to have their case heard.
 
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Explains where some posters are getting their information from...
Russian Disinformation: All Bot But No Bite?

And now Russia is going all Q-Anon Sandy Hook on their war crimes which consists of rape, rape of children, murder of unarmed civilians, torture, etc. Reminds me, in an on horrible human being way, of an employee I am suspending for 45 days without pay. Homeboy is kicking and screaming and trying to deflect all wrongdoings on others and can't/wont take accountability for his own actions.
 
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volgr said:
Yet, Russia isnt the one holding up a UN meeting on the issue and seems quite eager to have their case heard.
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You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of not only how a war crimes cases unfold, but general criminal law. Its not surprising to anyone that Russia wants to present their case ASAP because its their attempt at deflection. Once the forensic science and investigation is done I'm sure everyone will love to hear what they have to say. LOL.
 
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volgr said:
Yet, Russia isnt the one holding up a UN meeting on the issue and seems quite eager to have their case heard.
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Well, it is an interesting gambit to push for the UN to send investigators there to Bucha while there still might be some evidence and before Ukraine clears it away.

I certainly support that but the UN usually cant find its own ass with its own two hands, nor do they start very quickly. Could be a tactic to tie down Ukr in Bucha while Russia brings force to other areas.

Even so, I would like to see it. It will be very odd if Ukraine delays or refuses UN investigators while Russia is clambering for them.
 
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