War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hell, in that very video it was talking about Ukrainians hiding in a 9 story building in Mariupol.

Plus, there is a news story done by either ABC or PBS from last week that showed the Ukrainians using an elementary school as a base in preparation for an Odessa invasion.

These stories are all over the place if the sheep wanted to look for them.
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I think it was Graham Phillips that even posted a video showing proof of all this as well.
 
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midnight orange said:
I pray I’m wrong but part of me feels that we’re headed to war once they manufacture the level of consent they need to pull it off. Covid pretty much ended overnight and the next day everyone was waving blue and yellow flags.
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Exactly why the public putting their foot down on any involvement was important. Unfortunately we have too many clowns virtue signaling over a country whose chief use to the United States is enriching its political class under the table. Here we are now- a President emboldened enough to call for the removal from office of the leader of a nuclear power engaged in a war, American troops by the tens of thousands deployed next to the warzone, American arms dumped into the country, and one false flag or other triggering event away from massive ramping up of American involvement in a conflict that benefits us in no way.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You mean we don't follow only approved, corporate media outlets like a bunch of sheep.
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Lol whatever man. I suspect the vast majority of people in here look at other non traditional sources for info. We just don't pretend like they can't be corrupted. I mean if you are sourcing RT or zero hedge you can't claim to be looking for honesty and non bias reporting.
 
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NCFisher said:
I'm aware of the loans, loans Ukraine needed to modernize the country. Yanukovych said they needed many times more than the IMF loan amount specified, and was certainly doing his siphoning part.

Regardless, this is what the Ukrainian people expected of that government and genesis of the Maidan protests. Repeating "Nuland...McCain...U.S. coup" doesn't change that.
Frankly it's sounding alot like the American left who insisted a thimbleful of Russian media space turned Hillary voters into Trump supporters.
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If these Western bureaucrats and politically connected jackals wouldn't be robbing and stealing, Ukraine would be self-sufficient and be prosperous with no need for some damn IMF loans to get them into debt slavery like a 3rd world country.
 
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volkyries said:
So the "proof" is that of the old woman who is being prompted by the questions? Not saying she isn't telling the truth, but who knows at this point. She could have just been flown in from Moscow for the shoot. No pictures of any of these tanks or fighters?
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Did you see the video? She said she was a bus driver for 40 years and that people knew her. If she is lying, then we will see pretty soon a fact checker coming out telling us that the Mariupol company she works for has no record of her or people popping up in Moscow talking about "Why is my babushka being a crisis actor in Mariupol?".
 
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volfanhill said:
Lol whatever man. I suspect the vast majority of people in here look at other non traditional sources for info. We just don't pretend like they can't be corrupted. I mean if you are sourcing RT or zero hedge you can't claim to be looking for honesty and non bias reporting.
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Where have I sourced either of those 2? You can't even pay attention to what I have sourced. Independent journalism is very important in today's world.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You didn't answer the question. Why are we concerned about it? How does that help or affect the average American?
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Both the U.S. and Russia view it as a buffer zone. Large reserves of natural resources and agricultural productivity. Additionally, Putin views it as Russian territory filled with forcibly converted Russians. "But Putin doesn't want NATO nukes on the Uke border!!!!"....please.

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If these Western bureaucrats and politically connected jackals would be robbing and stealing, Ukraine would be self-sufficient and be prosperous with no need for some damn IMF loans to get them into debt slavery like a 3rd world country.
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...except the Ukrainian people stated they didn't wish to remain in Russia's orbit which is what opting for the Russian loans did, while requiring virtually nothing in the way of government reforms - perfect! Even with those sweet Russo dollars, the people preferred the IMF deal and moving closer to the EU and the West generally.

Why do you oppose that and insist they're rubes who need you to tell them what they want?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Where have I sourced either of those 2? You can't even pay attention to what I have sourced. Independent journalism is very important in today's world.
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Those were regarding RAS and I was speaking to both of you. You find sources you agree with and post the hell out of them. Show me one, you posted, that was critical of Russia in anyway? You act like a pompous ass bc you look at citizen journalism. This thread is full of other people doing the same. Just the opposite side. They just aren't pompous about it.
 
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volfanhill said:
Those were regarding RAS and I was speaking to both of you. You find sources you agree with and post the hell out of them. Show me one, you posted, that was critical of Russia in anyway?
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I have already been critical of Russia and there's no need for me to continue in order to feed your and other people's ego.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hell, in that very video it was talking about Ukrainians hiding in a 9 story building in Mariupol.

Plus, there is a news story done by either ABC or PBS from last week that showed the Ukrainians using an elementary school as a base in preparation for an Odessa invasion.

These stories are all over the place if the sheep wanted to look for them.
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Lol “talking”
 
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allvol123 said:
In that post he is telling us to look at these mainstream US news sources, while out the other side of his mouth he calls us all fools for living off of news from Mainstream US news sources.

It is tough being full of ****.
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You mean like claiming you care about your kids' futures while clamoring in support of the continued dumping of American arms and manpower into the European continent? That kind of full of ****?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did you see the video? She said she was a bus driver for 40 years and that people knew her. If she is lying, then we will see pretty soon a fact checker coming out telling us that the Mariupol company she works for has no record of her or people popping up in Moscow talling about "Why is my babushka being a crisis actor in Mariupol?".
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Really? The city is blown to shite but your standard of truth is that if some other rando person doesn't take time out from getting blown to shite to fact check her, she's legit....

I don't have to tell you how self-servingly vacuous - or nuts - that is.
 
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ButchPlz said:
You mean like claiming you care about your kids' futures while clamoring in support of the continued dumping American arms and manpower into the European continent? That kind of full of ****?
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Angry guy screaming at the internet is back.

Let me clue you in on some things. The US isn’t going to stop spending, they aren’t going to get their fiscal house in order. Anything we do in regards to spending and Ukraine is irrelevant. Are you able to comprehend this? Or you believe this house of cards rests on our financial dealings with respect to Ukraine?
 
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I sincerely hope by the time the food food famine and soaring energy costs hit later this year, that more people are able to connect the dots to our disastrous foreign policy as having almost as much culpability as Putin for the disaster. The establishment is going to need massive amounts of taxpayer money to expand welfare and feed the poor when prices go sky high. Oh yeah, banks are probably going to need bailouts as well. If Biden is able to maintain the narrative that it's all Putin's fault, and Biden gets a free pass, we deserve what we get.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ok and? Doesn’t mean your Bulgarian Russia hedge fund guy is correct either
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You do know that the majority of those stories either mirror other news sites or provide links to news sites, right? If you question the validity of anything, they provide links and sources for the majority of it.

You sound ignorant and have no idea WTF you are talking about.
 
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allvol123 said:
Angry guy screaming at the internet is back.

Let me clue you in on some things. The US isn’t going to stop spending, they aren’t going to get their fiscal house in order. Anything we do in regards to spending and Ukraine is irrelevant. Are you able to comprehend this? Or you believe this house of cards rests on our financial dealings with respect to Ukraine?
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You'll be dead or senile in 20 years when we have to deal with where those arms end up. Same as with what's going on in Saudi Arabia and Yemen. You're doing a great job irresponsibly celebrating conflict- your kids and their kids are going to really enjoy cleaning up the mess. Just like I've watched many in my generation have to deal with stupidity in Afghanistan.

The financial aspect is a part of it. You're too spineless to advocate for stopping spending anywhere. Why not in a country where there's nothing there to do with the average of us? Why not in places around the world where we send arms and tech and aid in fruitless efforts that always do more harm than good? Hundreds turn to thousands turn to millions and billions and we keep crapping down a toilet for people around the world while our own people suffer. And again, you're just spinelessly sitting there saying nothing can be done. A weak, weak "man".

All the meanwhile you "care for your kids" because you spend time bitching on the internet and writing angry school board letters or Facebook posts or whatever you muster the fatass energy to do over masks, about the laziest thing anyone could actually do. It's shameful. And you ought to be embarrassed. But you're not.
 
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USF grad in TN said:
How does this work? They declare neutrality and some UN force or NATO or some other country moves in and points guns at Russia? How else would they trust a guarantee by a third party?
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Any kind of peacekeeping force would have to be UN sponsored. NATO or any western country alone or as an alliance would be seen as hostile by Russia. Then you have to remember that Russia and China are two permanent members of the UN Security Council. Unless Russia decides to back peacekeepers against further Russian aggression in Ukraine, it's not happening. India is another member of the Security Council right now and there are a few others that would possibly back Russia.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WOW... you finally said it. You told the truth. I knew you could do it.
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Patrick Lancaster is actually out interviewing people who have been affected by the conflict and they are telling their story. But Hill, Fisher, Luther, Python and crew would have you believe other people are the problem because they aren't taking Joe Scarborough's word for it.
 
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