War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

He pretty much admitted he sees Ukraine's right to self determination conditional on whether they choose Russia or not.

Well he’s clearly an idiot so…

 

[allvol123]

Right now they still are a sovereign nation. And as much as it pains you to see it they’re currently winning

His hero thought he rolled in with the 85 Bears. Closer to 21 Commodores.

 

[volgr]

Somebody breaks in my house and threatens my family, justified to do whatever I want to them.

Also, how has Ukraine committed more war crimes? Since Russia never declared war, every act they commit on Ukrainian soil is a crime.

Look, Im not saying you are wrong, but I find it curious you can justify war crimes in one breath and condemn those who understand Putin's justification in a Ukrainian intervention, in the next.

 

[volgr]

He pretty much admitted he sees Ukraine's right to self determination conditional on whether they choose Russia or not.

Not what I said. Strawman, as usual. If you want to discuss what I actually said, lets do it.

 

[tvolsfan]

Not what I said. Strawman, as usual. If you want to discuss what I actually said, lets do it.

Ukraine is being conquered by a superior foe. They had the chance to self determinate, they chose to knowingly piss off their superior neighbor. Now they lost the ability to self determinate. Thems the brakes.

That was easy

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not what I said. Strawman, as usual. If you want to discuss what I actually said, lets do it.

You replied to me they aren’t a sovereign nation. Without invoking Putin’s rhetoric or Russian state propaganda can you provide any other single source that agrees with that stance?

 

[ButchPlz]

He pretty much admitted he sees Ukraine's right to self determination conditional on whether they choose Russia or not.

Meanwhile, the people on the opposite side choose prolonging the conflict and involving the US in it because at least one of you in this thread enjoys profiting off of defense contracts and blood and the rest don't have enough life left to care about the consequences of encouraging conflict. You're mostly all happy to leave messes wherever because Murica #1, love me some war footage on the tube!

 

[tvolsfan]

Meanwhile, the people on the opposite side choose prolonging the conflict and involving the US in it because at least one of you in this thread enjoys profiting off of defense contracts and blood and the rest don't have enough life left to care about the consequences of encouraging conflict. You're mostly all happy to leave messes wherever because Murica #1, love me some war footage on the tube!

Gonna go ahead and ignore this tripe.

 

[BreatheUT]

India isn't currently acting any smarter than the biden administration. Hope India does well, but they are picking the wrong friends. Some of it may be because of great terms offered by the Russians, but I'd bet a lot is still due to Europeans and their colonialism - reminders of stuff like that don't die easily, and the Russians have made real use of it all over the world.

I haven't looked at the colonialism angle enough to have an intelligent perspective.

 

[allvol123]

Look, Im not saying you are wrong, but I find it curious you can justify war crimes in one breath and condemn those who understand Putin's justification in a Ukrainian intervention, in the next.

I’ve not seen a war crime I have justified. I have justified defending your home by any means.

Putin has 0 justification for his actions. You have been repeatedly asked to explain them, by several people here, and have never been able to do so.

 

[ButchPlz]

Gonna go ahead and ignore this tripe.

Is it though? Because arming corrupt nations has continually worked out in American favor, yes? Future generations (such as mine) have never had to pay for those idiotic decisions, no?

And how on earth are you "ignoring" something when you explicitly respond to it?

You've always piggybacked on all the other posters in this thread, then accuse everyone else of opinion, tripe, etc. Of all the people in here complaining about lack of critical thinking, you've been the worst offender of having none. You and at least a half dozen of the other warmongers in here are on the verge of geriatric care anyway. You just want entertainment, damn everyone else.

 

[volgr]

That was easy

Their self determination wasnt conditional on choosing Russia, but it was conditional on diplomatically seeking resolution with a superior power on their border. Instead they chose no diplomacy and provocation.

 

[volgr]

You replied to me they aren’t a sovereign nation. Without invoking Putin’s rhetoric or Russian state propaganda can you provide any other single source that agrees with that stance?

Many.

 

[allvol123]

Many.

If only there existed a place to post them. Lol

 

[volgr]

If only there existed a place to post them. Lol

Calling Ukraine sovereign is like bringing the town whore to family Christmas Dinner as your date and telling everyone she is pure...while she gives your brother sitting next to her a handy under the tablecloth.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Many.

LMAO ok sure. And yet you didn’t drop a single one

 

[NorthDallas40]

Calling Ukraine sovereign is like bringing the town whore to family Christmas Dinner as your date and telling everyone she is pure...while she gives your brother sitting next to her a handy under the tablecloth.

Is that your version of a link?

 

[allvol123]

Calling Ukraine sovereign is like bringing the town whore to family Christmas Dinner as your date and telling everyone she is pure...while she gives your brother sitting next to her a handy under the tablecloth.

1. You were asked to provide an example
2. You stated you had plenty
3. You’ve provided none.

 

[Velo Vol]

Interesting.

 

[luthervol]

Meanwhile, the people on the opposite side choose prolonging the conflict and involving the US in it because at least one of you in this thread enjoys profiting off of defense contracts and blood and the rest don't have enough life left to care about the consequences of encouraging conflict. You're mostly all happy to leave messes wherever because Murica #1, love me some war footage on the tube!

It would be difficult to be more wrong.

I want Putin to withdraw and a precedent to be set that the world will no longer sit idly by as one country attacks and commits war crimes against another.

The goal is less war - not more.

 

[Gandalf]

Ukrainian law does not penalize any person harming the life, health and property of the aggressor.

According to Ukrinform, this was reported by the Department for the Execution of Criminal Punishments of the Ministry of Justice on Facebook.

On March 22, 2022, a law came into force that decriminalizes damage to the aggressor's troops and exempts from liability for forced losses.

"During the war, those involved in repelling and deterring armed aggression need to create conditions for rapid operational management decisions. The new law creates just such conditions. or passive actions) life and health, property of aggressors without punishment for it ", - it is told in the message.

У Мін’юсті пояснили, як працюватиме декриміналізація завданої шкоди агресору

 

[norrislakevol]

Is it though? Because arming corrupt nations has continually worked out in American favor, yes? Future generations (such as mine) have never had to pay for those idiotic decisions, no?

And how on earth are you "ignoring" something when you explicitly respond to it?

You've always piggybacked on all the other posters in this thread, then accuse everyone else of opinion, tripe, etc. Of all the people in here complaining about lack of critical thinking, you've been the worst offender of having none. You and at least a half dozen of the other warmongers in here are on the verge of geriatric care anyway. You just want entertainment, damn everyone else.

Russia and Ukraine are two of the most corrupt countries on earth. While I would enjoy seeing Putin get his azz kicked and hope Ukraine wins, make no mistake; anyone who thinks Ukraine is like us or that Zelinsky represents true freedom needs to dig a little deeper.

 

[landscapingvol]

He pretty much admitted he sees Ukraine's right to self determination conditional on whether they choose Russia or not.

It's frustrating to him that the Ukrainians won't die quick enough or bend the knee quick enough. Since they won't, it's our fault for arming them

 

[NorthDallas40]

It's frustrating to him that the Ukrainians won't die quick enough or bend the knee quick enough. Since they won't, it's our fault for arming them

That’s actually a great summary for his dumbassery and it’s hilarious as hell to watch unfold. Still waiting on the link not from Putin or Russian state media saying Ukraine isn’t a sovereign nation too!

 

[norrislakevol]

Quick question here: If Taiwan were to be invaded by China do you think almost the entire world would denounce it and aide Taiwan in the same means that a lot of nations have aided Ukraine? Not flaming or taking sides, just curious of everyone's thoughts.