War in Ukraine

[PEPPERJAX]

Of course they are.

It blows my mind that there are people here tying their own morals, wills, and brains to that of American politicians and the corporate/government machine and asking no questions at all.

Purchase some stock in Lockheed & Martin. Could be a wise decision.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

What do all three of those examples have in common? They were conquered by a superior foe, except in your imagination where Ukraine was threatening Russia. It’s a good thing the Azov battalion wasn’t allowed to enter Russia. It would have been a replay of the Mongols.

And you still don't get it. This isn't about Ukraine as much as it is about NATO. Ukraine is a pivot. NATO and Russia are battling over Ukraine. Ukraine will not have a final say over any of this. NATO and Russia will.

 

[ButchPlz]

Purchase some stock in Lockheed & Martin. Could be a wise decision.

Not sure we'll need American dollars if the US keeps allowing the blustering clowns at its head to keep doing things.

 

[volgr]

I know they should just lay down and die.

No, they should lay down and live.

 

[ButchPlz]

And you still don't get it. This isn't about Ukraine as much as it is about NATO. Ukraine is a pivot. NATO and Russia are battling over Ukraine. Ukraine will not have a final say over any of this. NATO and Russia will.

Ukraine hasn't had self-determination in recent memory. It's silly to assume that that will change with the current powers in both Russia and Europe.

The best result is for Ukrainians to totally reject both.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Are those lies?

What they are are your usual hypocrisy where you ignore whatever misgivings whomever you’re shilling for has committed while calling out only the US and hiding behind your “we have to be better” ********. It’s what you do every time.

 

[luthervol]

They were allowed to self determinate, until they werent.

Still didn't answer.
Do you believe Ukraine should be allowed self determination?

Your inability to easily answer speaks volumes.
Give it some more thought and carefully craft a response that leaves you some wiggle room and integrity.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Way to not answer the question.
Do you believe Ukraine should be allowed self determination?

You can't ask that question and support sanctions on random countries just because they won't play ball with the US.

 

[volgr]

Our government cares about profiting off of this war more than anything. The US defense department along with many politicians are going to make large sums of money. They are happy to delay the inevitable.

We always find a way to profit on the frontend and backend.

 

[ButchPlz]

Purchase some stock in Lockheed & Martin. Could be a wise decision.

And another point, their stock will crash if their products (and most American weapons contractors' products) ever hit real combat. You want to see bureaucracy, failure, and greed weakening something, look no further than the weapons contractors that can hardly keep planes in the air and stick most of the military with 40+-year-old tech to fight wars.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't even know what that means.

Me either on reading it again I’m working on my mower and have only partial attention span. But we have much bigger fish to fry we have to extinguish Nazis in Ukraine.

As you pointed out we actually agree. Just limit the size of that big ole barrel you throw everyone across the aisle into mkay?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

“Parroting” equals not wanting innocent people to die over a made up reason to invade much like the US in Iraq. I guess I am guilty then

That is your problem. You don't take Russia's security concerns seriously. Yet, if the shoe was on the other foot, you would have supported the US doing the exact same thing in Cuba, Mexico or Venezuela.

 

[volgr]

Why don't you guys @Rasputin_Vol @volgr @DonjoVol produce evidence that Donbas residents wanted to secede from Ukraine? And explain why you continue to push a Nazi line, and why Russia may invade sovereign countries with strawman security concerns but Ukraine is to be demilitarized and have no security?

I've provided my rationale, in polls - even in separatist held areas of Donbas - that a majority of Donbas citizens wish to remain Ukrainian citizens. That even were Azov actual, Hitler-resurrecting Nazis (and they aren't), they are a force of 900 in a UAF military of 460,000 led by a Jew. And Russia has never been in, nor will be in danger from a Ukrainian attack whether remaining in Russian orbit, or Westernizing, or even joining NATO. Nor are they in danger of attack from NATO unless attacking a NATO member. And I've msged you on those posts, inviting challenge which you ignore.

Where's the proof, the basis, for your rationale?

Pretty sure we've all covered these questions at some point.

 

[landscapingvol]

They have an ally in Saudi Arabia right next door to them. They can get all the energy they want from them.

Weird how they import very little oil from Saudi Arabia yet import millions of dollars of oil from Russia each year

Oil imports

 

[landscapingvol]

That is your problem. You don't take Russia's security concerns seriously. Yet, if the shoe was on the other foot, you would have supported the US doing the exact same thing in Cuba, Mexico or Venezuela.

I don’t take the word of a government that brutalizes it’s own people seriously, why do you?

 

[AM64]

Joe Biden needs to go. He is the most dangerous man on the planet.

True, and dems should be banned from presidential elections for the next 50 years for an unsportsmanlike penalty and willfully targeting the US for destruction. When you abuse a system this bad, you deserve to be banned.

 

[landscapingvol]

No, they should lay down and live.

Under Russian control, you left that part out

 

[luthervol]

You can't ask that question and support sanctions on random countries just because they won't play ball with the US.

Sure I can, and did.

 

[ButchPlz]

I don’t take the word of a government that brutalizes it’s own people seriously, why do you?

Wait wait wait.

You say this then buy the same US government line that we ought to be involved over in Ukraine? The same US government actively waging psychological warfare on its people? That has knowingly pushed harmful treatments for COVID and a questionable at best vaccine on its people in the last year and a half? The same US government that has called its own people everything from "despicables" to people deserving of severe illness and death?

The end game is the same on both of these sides.

 

[NCFisher]

Pretty sure we've all covered these questions at some point.

Well, no; you've simply given opinions without substantiation.

Start with the first item; what is your evidence that a majority of people in the Donbas want independence from Ukraine?

 

[landscapingvol]

That is your problem. You don't take Russia's security concerns seriously. Yet, if the shoe was on the other foot, you would have supported the US doing the exact same thing in Cuba, Mexico or Venezuela.

Cuba and Venezuela brutalizes it’s own people through the misery of enforced poverty and Mexico floods the nation with illegal drugs/crime. None of those are imaginary reasons like the Azov battalion and de-Nazification

 

[NorthDallas40]

Pretty sure we've all covered these questions at some point.

Well you’ve shilled for Putin’s stance if you consider that covering it I’ll allow it.

 

[landscapingvol]

Wait wait wait.

You say this then buy the same US government line that we ought to be involved over in Ukraine? The same US government actively waging psychological warfare on its people? That has knowingly pushed harmful treatments for COVID and a questionable at best vaccine on its people in the last year and a half? The same US government that has called its own people everything from "despicables" to people deserving of severe illness and death?

The end game is the same on both of these sides.

You need professional help if you think those issues with incompetency have anything in common with the Russian government’s history both current and past. Hillary Clinton isn’t the US government but Putin is THE Russian government

 

[NorthDallas40]

You can't ask that question and support sanctions on random countries just because they won't play ball with the US.

Actually yes he can. As much as it pains me to admit Luther asked a very straight forward question and you ducked it. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. **** Russia’s security concerns.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Sure I can, and did.

You have no idea how hard it is for me to admit you’re right on this.