War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Then keep that same energy and condemn the US for invading and occupying Syria right now.
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"It isn't the US' responsibility to negotiate peace, but it is the US' responsibility to encourage war, destruction, and death by sending weapons to other countries on the American taxpayer's dime."

A fine moral line from this upstanding gentleman.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Dumping weapons into the country and declining to support peace efforts while claiming one side needs to have its government replaced doesn't speak of just the aggression you refer to, except from the United States?

Dense, dense, dense. And of course the only recourse argument the weenies have is that anyone that questions this stuff is a Putin bot or living in conspiracy land.
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Sure thing Francis, the US is rejecting Russia’s overtures at peace. I don’t take anything Joe Biden says seriously he is an incompetent buffoon but I do take actions seriously, like invading another country.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let's be honest, if we can be honest. Had Russia invaded Afghanistan or any of the other Stans, this would've been a non-issue. But the perfect combination of Russian hatred/bigotry and the attack on on "Europeans" has people now emotionally connected and invested. We have seen people being slaughtered in The Middle East, Africa and Asia all the time (including at this very moment), yet where are the "I Stand with Yemen"/"I Stand with Somalia"/"I Stand with Syria" memes? The propaganda is so effective that you have redhats and the unvaccinated that over the last 2 years were screaming about the corrupt azz media in their reporting and govt mendacity, but now are wearing their gold and baby blue in support of Ukraine and talking about no fly zones and catching flights to Poland to join the fight.
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Lets also be honest regarding what Ukraine really was for the US and specifically what was really going on inside Ukraine.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Sure thing Francis, the US is rejecting Russia’s overtures at peace. I don’t take anything Joe Biden says seriously he is an incompetent buffoon but I do take actions seriously, like invading another country.
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But again, you just told us it isn't our responsibility to be involved one way, but it is our responsibility to be involved another way. Joe Biden is a buffoon so what he says is irrelevant, but as commander in chief it's OK for him to order arms sent to the country in question because ???.
 
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ButchPlz said:
"It isn't the US' responsibility to negotiate peace, but it is the US' responsibility to encourage war, destruction, and death by sending weapons to other countries on the American taxpayer's dime."

A fine moral line from this upstanding gentleman.
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The US is encouraging death by sending weapons to a nation invaded by Russia? That’s some genius level critical thinking on your part, I don’t know how you get out of bed in the morning 😂
 
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volgr said:
Lets also be honest regarding what Ukraine really was for the US and specifically what was really going on inside Ukraine.
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It's almost as if this is an evil on evil fight and like all of these kinds of things what we ought to hope and pray for is protection of the innocent (who will inevitably suffer, sadly) and the prevailing of truth regardless of which "side" does what.
 
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landscapingvol said:
They aren’t except in your imagination unless you consider 900 US troops helping the Kurds fight ISIS is an invasion and occupation but you do so I can’t help you there. I don’t think anyone can
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So you admit that we are there and arming and supporting an insurgency in Syria.

But if Russians support an insurgency in the breakaway Donbas region, that is totally different.

Actually, it is different. The difference is that Russia actually has an interest in that conflict considering that they were defending Russian people and that the conflict was on Russia's border.

What interest does the US have in arming and supporting Kurds in NE Syria?
 
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ButchPlz said:
But again, you just told us it isn't our responsibility to be involved one way, but it is our responsibility to be involved another way. Joe Biden is a buffoon so what he says is irrelevant, but as commander in chief it's OK for him to order arms sent to the country in question because ???.
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I never said it wasn’t our responsibility to negotiate peace. If the US chooses to then we may, it’s Ukraine’s responsibility to accept it. No one is stopping them from accepting anything, just like no one is stopping Russia from withdrawing except in your feeble imagination
 
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landscapingvol said:
The US is encouraging death by sending weapons to a nation invaded by Russia? That’s some genius level critical thinking on your part, I don’t know how you get out of bed in the morning 😂
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Sending weapons to a country whose sole contribution to America is serving as a money laundering/corruption machine isn't encouraging death and destruction? The weapons they send over that are apparently ending up in the hands of the corrupt establishment there that bans opposition parties is a normal course of action that ought to be encouraged and praised? Those guns won't be used for violence?

That is the definition of critical thinking. What you're doing is failing to come out and say what you really believe- that it isn't the US' job to broker peace, but it is the US' job to support conflict. You're welcome to take that moral stand if you like, but have the balls to plainly say it. I encourage you to do so in your inevitable response to my post. Once we are there, we could maybe have a discussion on the depth of things.
 
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volgr said:
Lets also be honest regarding what Ukraine really was for the US and specifically what was really going on inside Ukraine.
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Ukraine was the Cocke County of Eastern Europe. Gun running, human trafficking, drug trafficking, and corrupt leadership domestically and from foreign (mainly the US) countries. And instead of meth labs, they had bio labs.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So you admit that we are there and arming and supporting an insurgency in Syria.

But if Russians support an insurgency in the breakaway Donbas region, that is totally different.

Actually, it is different. The difference is that Russia actually has an interest in that conflict considering that they were defending Russian people and that the conflict was on Russia's border.

What interest does the US have in arming and supporting Kurds in NE Syria?
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I am sorry you can’t distinguish between actual terrorists in ISIS with imaginary terrorists created by the Russian government in order to justify an invasion. I am also sorry you can’t distinguish between helping one of our only true allies in the Middle East. I’ll wake you up from your trance when the US actually invades Syria
 
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landscapingvol said:
I never said it wasn’t our responsibility to negotiate peace. If the US chooses to then we may, it’s Ukraine’s responsibility to accept it. No one is stopping them from accepting anything, just like no one is stopping Russia from withdrawing except in your feeble imagination
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That's not what you've implied. Your posts imply explicitly that it's not the US' job to interfere in peace talks- and you've just reinforced it here.

But you are also implying that it is the US' job to provide weaponry, or interfere in the conflict in another way.

This is a fine moral standing to take. No, I'll be blunt- it's evil.
 
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ButchPlz said:
That's not what you've implied. Your posts imply explicitly that it's not the US' job to interfere in peace talks- and you've just reinforced it here.

But you are also implying that it is the US' job to provide weaponry, or interfere in the conflict in another way.

This is a fine moral standing to take. No, I'll be blunt- it's evil.
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I’ll be blunt with you, you aren’t very bright. I am sure you will be in tears to learn the Chinese got involved in the Korean and Vietnam Wars as well as the Russians. I am sure you will be even more heartbroken to learn that the Iraqis and Afghans were using Russian made weapons against the US in both wars….it’s evil
 
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landscapingvol said:
I never said it wasn’t our responsibility to negotiate peace. If the US chooses to then we may, it’s Ukraine’s responsibility to accept it. No one is stopping them from accepting anything, just like no one is stopping Russia from withdrawing except in your feeble imagination
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And yet we attempt to feed the area with more weapons. We are not giving them an incentive to negotiate reasonably. They are facing the inevitable and NATO is just encouraging them to fight to the very last drop of Ukrainian blood.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I am sorry you can’t distinguish between actual terrorists in ISIS with imaginary terrorists created by the Russian government in order to justify an invasion. I am also sorry you can’t distinguish between helping one of our only true allies in the Middle East. I’ll wake you up from your trance when the US actually invades Syria
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You didn't answer his question about what business we have supporting Kurds.

The Ethiopian government is slaughtering its own people that want self determination. Why aren't you here clamoring for them? How about those fighting actual terrorists in Mali, Nigeria, other parts of the Sahel, India, the Philippines, Indonesia, Mexico, Peru, Colombia, and Paraguay, just off the top of my head? Are you posting places supporting those fights, and do you believe the US should be arming forces resisting those things?

If so, great. Put an educated opinion out there. You come across just like most of the emptyheaded goofballs arguing for US involvement in Ukraine- lapping up media- and politician-created drivel in the name of virtue signaling.
 
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volgr said:
The South wasnt allowed self determination. American Indians werent allowed self determination. Welcome to the real world. You are allowed self determination, if you can protect it.
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What do all three of those examples have in common? They were conquered by a superior foe, except in your imagination where Ukraine was threatening Russia. It’s a good thing the Azov battalion wasn’t allowed to enter Russia. It would have been a replay of the Mongols.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Has anybody explained how Ukraine is in our national interests?
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I've been asking how picking sides in this regional conflict improves the life of the average American, they cant answer. Luther has a generic beauty queen type answer, it makes the world more safe. In fact, our picking sides is making us less safe AND will cause the average American MORE financial hardship.
 
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