War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
The coup in 2014 was a belligerent act within a bordering country followed by 8 years of shelling in the Donbas.
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Two things you aren't allowed to do in Volnation.

1. Tell the truth about what has occurred in Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
2. Go against the ultracorporatist views of the Volnation political forum. How dare anyone try and oppress Walmart, Pfizer, Amazon, Blackrock, and Bill Gates.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, I would expect the US to fight for it.

And likewise, if Russia or China moved in military equipment to Mexico or Cuba, should the US just let that happen?
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Hell... let me not even use Mexico or Cuba as my example. If Russia or China moved military assets to Venezuela, would the US just let that happen?
 
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norrislakevol said:
I think the bigger picture is how does this end? The Ukrainians will never agree to disarm, nor should they. I really don't think Putin is going to pack it all up and go home. Would he ever accept defeat? He can't hold Ukraine. Does this escalate beyond Ukrainian borders? Does Putin turn to WMD's once he is completely bogged down and can advance no further? What does U.S. and the rest of Europe do then? This may be a more perilous situation than many are understanding here. Wide spread food shortages in Europe perhaps in the future???
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It's going to end with Ukraine being partitioned at this point.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He has a Bulgarian hedge fund guy and a convicted felon from YouTube telling him what’s going on
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No idea how representative they are, but the last week I've watched a few vloggers in Russia with YouTube videos showing what things look like in shopping centers right now (with the sanctions). They were quite matter-of-fact about it all.

Anyway, I'm sure it's true in Russia as it is here--that most people don't center their lives around the political debates we have here.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Two things you aren't allowed to do in Volnation.

1. Tell the truth about what has occurred in Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
2. Go against the ultracorporatist views of the Volnation political forum. How dare anyone try and oppress Walmart, Pfizer, Amazon, Blackrock, and Bill Gates.
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Or maybe most intelligent people can see both sides and realize while the US has done stupid and wrong things in the past, that Putin illegitimately invaded a sovereign country and only useful idiots fooled by pro Russian bots defend it
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Or maybe most intelligent people can see both sides and realize while the US has done stupid and wrong things in the past, that Putin illegitimately invaded a sovereign country and only useful idiots fooled by pro Russian bots defend it
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Where is your outrage and condemnation of the US invading and occupying NE Syria right now?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Where is your outrage and condemnation of the US invading and occupying NE Syria right now?
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Please point out where I’ve ever said it was great or I supported it? Your “what about” BS of something I also didn’t support doesn’t make your emotional and illogical defense of Putin’s invasion right. You are a hypocrite and mentally ill based on your posting history at best and a Russian bot at worst
 
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luthervol said:
What's the alternative to just letting it happen? Attacking?
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Diplomacy.

We avoided WWIII with Kennedy and Khrushchev. This entire debacle could have been avoided if the US and NATO didn't take a hardline approach with regards to NATO expansion and simply made it clear that Ukraine would be a neutral state. Now, it is looking like that Ukraine will ended up being partitioned.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Diplomacy.

We avoided WWIII with Kennedy and Khrushchev. This entire debacle could have been avoided if the US and NATO didn't take a hardline approach with regards to NATO expansion and simply made it clear that Ukraine would be a neutral state. Now, it is looking like that Ukraine will ended up being partitioned.
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Countries can do what they want if you want to join NATO or if they don’t. Russia doesn’t dictate what sovereign countries can do
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Diplomacy.

We avoided WWIII with Kennedy and Khrushchev. This entire debacle could have been avoided if the US and NATO didn't take a hardline approach with regards to NATO expansion and simply made it clear that Ukraine would be a neutral state. Now, it is looking like that Ukraine will ended up being partitioned.
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You don't believe Ukraine should be allowed self determination?
 
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Velo Vol said:
The Russian media was already going after the US government. You think there were a lot of Russians, who were previously on the fence about Putin, but upon seeing Biden's quote, angrily declared that was the straw that broke the camel's back, that they now support Putin for life?
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I think the average Russian is similar to the average American, they go through life trying to get by and don’t pay attention or really care what’s going on in the world. But once the grocery stores start having bare shelves, they lose their jobs and they can’t buy anything they start watching the news to see what the hell is going on. They will hear that the US president has caused all of their problems in an attempt to remove their President.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Please point out where I’ve ever said it was great or I supported it?
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Silence is consent.

And you trying to call it whataboutism is just you feeling some kind of way for me pointing out your hypocrisy.

And I have already told you, I hold the US at a higher standard because we posture ourselves as the paragons of liberty and justice. Yet, when I point out the BS we do that doesn't hold up to that standard, you want to attack.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Countries can do what they want if you want to join NATO or if they don’t. Russia doesn’t dictate what sovereign countries can do
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And again, they can want to join all they want, but it is up to NATO to weigh the costs and benefits of admitting them.

This isn't as much on Ukraine as it is an indictment on poor decisionmaking by NATO.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hell... let me not even use Mexico or Cuba as my example. If Russia or China moved military assets to Venezuela, would the US just let that happen?
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Given how inept our intelligence agencies have been since the Clinton administration, there could already be Russian AND Chinese ICBMs in Venezuela.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Countries can do what they want if you want to join NATO or if they don’t. Russia doesn’t dictate what sovereign countries can do
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And again, if you really believe this, then you shouldn't have any issue with anyone in this hemisphere joining a military alliance with either Russia or China. I mean, countries have their sovereignty, right?
 
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Has anybody explained how Ukraine is in our national interests? Other than some hypothetical that this would encourage him to invade NATO nations, which is preposterous as he can barely execute the current war.
No reason to escalate this war to WW3.

It is rather amazing watching the radicals on this board come neocons before our eyes. Neo-Libs.
 
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luthervol said:
You don't believe Ukraine should be allowed self determination?
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In an ideal world, that should be allowed for everyone. But just like we expect European and Asian powers to respect our sphere of influence in the hemisphere, other powers in those regions have the same expectations. Up to a month ago, the US and West did not take Russia's security concerns seriously, nor did they think they were worthy of concern. But now the discussion is changing in real time. And the same will be true with China and East Asia in the near future...
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Countries can do what they want if you want to join NATO or if they don’t. Russia doesn’t dictate what sovereign countries can do
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Also, I also find many of you all's position on national sovereignty interesting in this era of US sanctions. Who gives the US the right to tell who can and who cannot trade with another country?

You people are just selectively outraged when it comes to particular subjects.
 
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Orangeburst said:
It is rather amazing watching the radicals on this board come neocons before our eyes. Neo-Libs.
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No no, not just neo-libs... but now some of these redhats and former Romney/McCain voters are now drinking from the govt and media narrative. They're beating on the war drums just as hard as these neo-libs are right now.

Meanwhile, neither one of them give a f^^k about Ukraine or can even find it on a map. Nor do I think they care about the average American... or mankind if they keep on their present path and take is to a nuclear exchange.
 
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