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Mike4Vols said:
Ok Ok. 🙂
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I didn't mean to say that you were a Saban slurper. I didn't realize how that post sounded until I saw you quote it.

I am just sick of him, and I agree he is a great coach, but there a lot of others would win a lot too with that kind of talent...and the machine he was given for procuring it.
 
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UTMVol76 said:
I think there are many examples we have out there that show that strictly throwing money at a problem solves nothing (I.e Public Education system for one). Return on investment is another consideration obviously.

One problem I have always had with Womens athletics is the “pay equity” conversation that people should almost be forced to watch the product regardless of it being a good product or not. Example there is WNBA players complaining of pay inequality, but the league wouldn’t even exist today if it weren’t for the NBA subsidizing it. Truth is, they don’t produce a product anyone wants to spend their money on or invest in.
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And that is the absolute truth.
 
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UTProf said:
No, I absolutely agree with you that the athletes aren't in the same universe. I'm also telling you why they're not. IDK why that's a problem for a few of you. Women are always going to be a few seconds slower or jump a little lower. However, the reason there's such disparity is because there's no investment. Put it to you another way... The young men we watch are close to hitting their ceilings as athletes and part of what makes college fun to watch is watching them hit it. The young women that we watch are nowhere close to where they should be - a program like Summitt's got them very close to that but even then it was her and UCONN with a ton of room to grow even within those programs. THAT is the difference. The quality of women's sports could be soooo much higher than it is.
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I'm sure the convo ended hours ago, I'm just catching up, but just wanted to add this goes beyond college development. Look at this at the largest scale: American women's sports own the rest of the world in almost everything. The reason is that the United States invests in women's sports more than any other country.

Look at football recruiting: Georgia, Texas, California, and Florida don't run the recruiting show because those states magically have better athletes than other states - they have more invested into youth development and higher quality coaches coaching at the youth levels. By the time they're freshmen on campus they've had more professional training than some guys at the NFL combine from Wyoming or something.

I think those concepts make sense to just about everyone here as generally understood rules (I know there are exceptions and nuances - no need to point them out).

What UTProf is saying (I think) is that this rule is applying to the disparity between the amount invested in developing women's basketball players before they get to college versus men's players. There are exceptions for the best of the best players, but from top to bottom there's less opportunities for top notch development in middle and high school for women's basketball players. The Lady Vols of old were the best players in the country with loaded talent, speed, ball handling skills, etc. Whether they had a ton of formal training or not, they had those skills before they came to Knoxville and got better while there. Right now, Kellie's team doesn't have the same caliber athletes - and that's why their games look like U8 AAU at times.

That is all, if you think this is all BS keep it to yourself.
 
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Devo182 said:
Some in the RF don't know how many points a touchdown is worth?

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In their defense, we had multiple TDs last year worth 0 pts. The strip sack, TD return and the bowl game forward progress that never stopped both come to mind. It could be confusing what a TD really means if you're a Vol fan.
 
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SoilVol said:
I'm sure the convo ended hours ago, I'm just catching up, but just wanted to add this goes beyond college development. Look at this at the largest scale: American women's sports own the rest of the world in almost everything. The reason is that the United States invests in women's sports more than any other country.

Look at football recruiting: Georgia, Texas, California, and Florida don't run the recruiting show because those states magically have better athletes than other states - they have more invested into youth development and higher quality coaches coaching at the youth levels. By the time they're freshmen on campus they've had more professional training than some guys at the NFL combine from Wyoming or something.

I think those concepts make sense to just about everyone here as generally understood rules (I know there are exceptions and nuances - no need to point them out).

What UTProf is saying (I think) is that this rule is applying to the disparity between the amount invested in developing women's basketball players before they get to college versus men's players. There are exceptions for the best of the best players, but from top to bottom there's less opportunities for top notch development in middle and high school for women's basketball players. The Lady Vols of old were the best players in the country with loaded talent, speed, ball handling skills, etc. Whether they had a ton of formal training or not, they had those skills before they came to Knoxville and got better while there. Right now, Kellie's team doesn't have the same caliber athletes - and that's why their games look like U8 AAU at times.

That is all, if you think this is all BS keep it to yourself.
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I think this is all 100% correct, but I do also believe the denominator not being fully taken into account is that out of 100 boys and 100 girls, there are a lot less girls interested in sports vs boys. Therefore if I’m the AAU or local sports organizers, I’m putting my efforts into boys sports because thats where the predominate market lies.
 
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