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#31,776
Vol8188 said:
His 2020 stats were great and better than anything Tannehill was doing during that time in his career. That doesn’t mean he will be better than Tannehill, but he has higher upside at this point and he’s cheaper
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Better than anything? Year 3 stats for Baker and Ryan using Baker's 2020 year as the reference:

CLE 305 486 62.8% 3563 26TD 8INT 95.9Rating
MIA 392 590 66.4% 4045 27TD 12INT 92.8Rating

And, without going back to look at it, I would wager that Baker had better playmakers available to him in year 3 than Ryan in year 3 in Miami. But, I could be wrong about that.
 
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GBO18 said:
You said you would want to trade Tannehill for Mayfield? Why would you want the Titans to trade for a QB who is not better than the current QB?
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Cheaper, younger, higher upside. Every player is a gamble to some extent. I’m not saying 100% it would work out and that we would get equal or better QB play. But boom or bust is better than living in the middle of the pack.

We know Mayfield’s early career is better than Tannehill’s. We know he’s cheaper. None of that is a guarantee very few players are guaranteed.

So the advantage is you may strike gold and get 2020 Mayfield at a cheaper price than Tannehill. But even if you miss, what was lost? You get a high pick, and swing at a QB and have plenty of money to keep talent around him
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Better than anything? Year 3 stats for Baker and Ryan using Baker's 2020 year as the reference:

CLE 305 486 62.8% 3563 26TD 8INT 95.9Rating
MIA 392 590 66.4% 4045 27TD 12INT 92.8Rating

And, without going back to look at it, I would wager that Baker had better playmakers available to him in year 3 than Ryan in year 3 in Miami. But, I could be wrong about that.
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So at a minimum we can agree their body of work was similar, yet you don’t see upside in Mayfield that can be had cheap?

Take a chance. Maybe we hit on the next Alex Smith or Tannehill. Maybe we don’t. But it won’t cause us anything in the long term.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Huh? Is vs may is what you’re parsing here? I’m not betting on a maybe knowing he’s not got the maturity to be a team leader to boot.
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Every move made free agent or draft is almost 100% a maybe. Even keeping Tannehill is a maybe. Maybe we get 2020 Tannehill, maybe we don’t.

Nothing is certain but a risk free chance at a previous number 1 overall QB is interesting and should be considered
 
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#31,780
Vol8188 said:
So at a minimum we can agree their body of work was similar, yet you don’t see upside in Mayfield that can be had cheap?

Take a chance. Maybe we hit on the next Alex Smith or Tannehill. Maybe we don’t. But it won’t cause us anything in the long term.
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I don’t see upside in Mayfield, no. And, no, I don’t see a cheap way to deal Tannehill. Titans would likely have to pay part of his 2022 salary to make it work. Plus have a dead cap hit.

This fictional “cheap” deal that has no long term risk is your reality but not mine.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
I don’t see upside in Mayfield, no. And, no, I don’t see a cheap way to deal Tannehill. Titans would likely have to pay part of his 2022 salary to make it work. Plus have a dead cap hit.

This fictional “cheap” deal that has no long term risk is your reality but not mine.
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Okay. What is the long term risk that I’m missing?

And I think there’s teams that would give something for Tannehill.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Okay. What is the long term risk that I’m missing?

And I think there’s teams that would give something for Tannehill.
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His 4 year career numbers are who he is, which is not as good as Tannehill as much as you squint. He continues to lack maturity at a position that demands it. He has to learn a new offense setting them back when the team is in a win now window. And then whatever they lose in trade.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
His 4 year career numbers are who he is, which is not as good as Tannehill as much as you squint. He continues to lack maturity at a position that demands it. He has to learn a new offense setting them back when the team is in a win now window. And then whatever they lose in trade.
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Yet Tannehill’s 4 year career numbers were not who he is? If you can’t see potential there based on 2020, idk how
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yet Tannehill’s 4 year career numbers were not who he is? If you can’t see potential there based on 2020, idk how
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You asked what the long term risks were. It’s a risk that his numbers are who he is and do not improve over time (he’s not accurate which isn’t likely to improve). Plus, he can’t win over a locker room.

Blake Bortles had a great year once, too.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
You asked what the long term risks were. It’s a risk that his numbers are who he is and do not improve over time (he’s not accurate which isn’t likely to improve). Plus, he can’t win over a locker room.

Blake Bortles had a great year once, too.
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I’m not sure how much of the accuracy is scheme. I can throw 100 screens a game and have great accuracy. You’re also assuming we’d have to give up a lot. I think we could basically just give up Tannehill and nothing else. We wouldn’t be hampered with a long term contract and if he falls on his face, you get a high draft pick and move on.

When you say we have a small window, based on what? The age of our QB? Outside of QB and LT, we are young at most of our key spots. Brown and Simmons are the future of this franchise. Those are the guys we should build around and they’ve got a good size window.

A window we could maximize with a younger cheaper QB
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’m not sure how much of the accuracy is scheme. I can throw 100 screens a game and have great accuracy. You’re also assuming we’d have to give up a lot. I think we could basically just give up Tannehill and nothing else. We wouldn’t be hampered with a long term contract and if he falls on his face, you get a high draft pick and move on.

When you say we have a small window, based on what? The age of our QB? Outside of QB and LT, we are young at most of our key spots. Brown and Simmons are the future of this franchise. Those are the guys we should build around and they’ve got a good size window.

A window we could maximize with a younger cheaper QB
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Mayfield has ranked about the middle of the pack on yards/att (15-19) amongst the league QBs over the last 3 years. He also ranks in the bottom 5-7 in completion percentage over that same period. It isn't scheme.

The window would be based on RT and Henry's age coupled with the current down cycle being experienced by the other AFC South teams.
 
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#31,787
Vol8188 said:
I’m not sure how much of the accuracy is scheme. I can throw 100 screens a game and have great accuracy. You’re also assuming we’d have to give up a lot. I think we could basically just give up Tannehill and nothing else. We wouldn’t be hampered with a long term contract and if he falls on his face, you get a high draft pick and move on.

When you say we have a small window, based on what? The age of our QB? Outside of QB and LT, we are young at most of our key spots. Brown and Simmons are the future of this franchise. Those are the guys we should build around and they’ve got a good size window.

A window we could maximize with a younger cheaper QB
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My 2 cents, the windown is small because of Henry. RB's dont last long in the league.
 
#31,789
#31,789
FWIW, that they hired a passing coordinator to help Downing signals to me that they are going to move a bit away from the heavy ground and pound of the past. Add in the release of Saffold and the signing of Woods also tells us that. We all know O-lines are oriented to the O scheme employed. I'm seeing a shift. Henry getting hurt may have been a big wake-up call. IMO they will not change really big, but enough to add more balance to the production. They don't have the QB to go pass happy.

It that's what is up, I am good with it because one dimensional O's suck.
 
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Hot Topics From Titans HC Mike Vrabel at the NFL Owners Meetings

Good background info.

They love guys like Ben Jones and Harold Landry. They want more of their type on the roster long term.

FA's - Jamarco Jones is getting a shot as the next LG. They love what Woods brings and are going to try to get him healthy before the season. they said he can play inside or outside well. They like what Hooper will bring. That's the one I am most pleased about. They seem to finally understand you cannot operate TE by committee. You need the #1 to be multi-dimensional, the other TE's can be specialists.

They plan to lock Brown in long term.

I hope they move back from #26 for a couple more value picks in the second to fifth rounds. The Woods, Hooper and Jones signings add enough experienced value to do it IMO. But it is clear they need to draft a position player that corresponds with each one of them. The injury concern with Woods and the O-line weaknesses are the ones that stand out.
 
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Stumbling through but anyone who doesn't know Tannehill was border line elite his 1st two years starting is crazy.Side by side with Mahomes n Tannehill was always better.I know it's hard to accept.Now is the dude a Flippin idiot oh yea.Did he legit say at 8 years old to himself..Well if i ever wanted to literally choose the worse time place n situation possible to throw away a big game Cincinnati might be fun?It's mind boggling how bad he was.Saying that dude carried us n I'm willing to give him another year we got no choice.
 
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#31,793
Vols4us said:
FWIW, that they hired a passing coordinator to help Downing signals to me that they are going to move a bit away from the heavy ground and pound of the past. Add in the release of Saffold and the signing of Woods also tells us that. We all know O-lines are oriented to the O scheme employed. I'm seeing a shift. Henry getting hurt may have been a big wake-up call. IMO they will not change really big, but enough to add more balance to the production. They don't have the QB to go pass happy.

It that's what is up, I am good with it because one dimensional O's suck.
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Downing was thought of as more a pass guy when he got here.Downing was Vrabel 4th option he wanted Kelly all along but texans wouldn't let him interview until this year.Vrabs has a 2 yr coach rule also minimum so if not for that he prob got fired already.You can't be serious on the opening up the passing game?You want the game in RTs hands?Dude had chicken salad sh*t for offense last year,but no excuse for the Cicny bs.Sayij that he is beyond capable of killing it this year I hope he has the " I'll show the world u wait n see mentality".Sucks tho cause Afc is brutal but least we got the South division.
 
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Vols4us said:
This makes me wonder even more what's up.

Back-Up Plan? Titans GM Jon Robinson, HC Mike Vrabel Discuss QBs Logan Woodside, Kevin Hogan and More

Why are they all concerned about back-up QB if they are sold on Tannehill? A back up QB is not going take them to the playoffs if Tannehill can't or is injured. This smells like a trade or drafting a QB high.
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I honestly think backup qb is one of the more underrated roster spots. And of all the backups in the league, Logan is for sure in the lower tier
 
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Vols4us said:
This makes me wonder even more what's up.

Back-Up Plan? Titans GM Jon Robinson, HC Mike Vrabel Discuss QBs Logan Woodside, Kevin Hogan and More

Why are they all concerned about back-up QB if they are sold on Tannehill? A back up QB is not going take them to the playoffs if Tannehill can't or is injured. This smells like a trade or drafting a QB high.
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Everybody forgets about the backup until you need one. Remember when we had to start ZM in a do or die final week game to get in the playoffs? That's why you need a backup.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Everybody forgets about the backup until you need one. Remember when we had to start ZM in a do or die final week game to get in the playoffs? That's why you need a backup.
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Neil O'Donnell saved and won some games that were needed.......
 
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#31,800
mr.checkerboards said:
Everybody forgets about the backup until you need one. Remember when we had to start ZM in a do or die final week game to get in the playoffs? That's why you need a backup.
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Not to devalue the point you’re making by any means, but Zach Mettenberger was only on the Titans in 2014 and 2015, and the team went 2-14 and 3-13, respectively, those seasons.

Did you mean Matt Cassel in 2016 (though Tennessee was eliminated in week 16 with the loss to Jacksonville - the game where Mariota broke his right fibula)?

Or perhaps 2018 where an injury forced Blaine Gabbert to start the last three games, including the last game of the season against the Colts (though TEN won the two games he played in the weeks leading up to it 17-0 vs the Giants and 25-16 vs Washington)?
 
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