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ChattaTNVol said:
I think you have the right analysis.

If I read the Adidas announcement correctly a student athlete has to be at an Adidas school to take advantage of the opportunity. They have 50,000 student athletes at Adidas contracted schools. so they say. Athletes get a commission on sales of Adidas merchandise and so much for social media posts. They're free to make deals with other sponsors.

Sprye's initial budget target is said to be $30,000,000 per year. When Nike matches or exceeds the Adidas offer it will be a wash but I don't think either one of them is going to be spending all that much money on this, at least not on a per athlete basis. They'll get something in return, presumably higher sales revenues.

Below is a website that tracks the schools that have collectives and other programs to support students NIL opportunities. I think these collectives will always be the heavy hitters. jmo.

Our goal, the goal of Volnation, probably needs to be to encourage as many of our fellow fans as possible to join the 1951 club if they can swing it. If we show up, we'll probably do well. jmo.

There is likely to be billions funneled into these collectives when everybody is up and running. I figure just the P-5 schools alone will be north of a couple billion/year at least. jmo.

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Honestly what it really leads to is names on jerseys and sells from that. Doubt many college athletes get "shoe deals"

1. in basketball where it is most likely to occur the truly elite college talent spend just a season in college, so sign the shoe deal when they are drafted cause market matters (it's why Zion is getting fat in New Orleans, why Harden went to the Nets and Lebron left Cleveland twice). More fans in LA = more sells = more money on my jersey sells/shoe sells etc.

2. Adidas can offer player names for a few top names for their schools they have contracts with and players can make something off it, but it ultimately allows Adidas to offer something "exclusive" to help generate sells for them. Won't be long before Under Armor and Nike are also doing it.
 
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[="SamRebel35, post: 21067893, member: 22505"]I don't see why it would hurt us though. I don't see Adidas or Nike offering endorsement deals to recruits based on where they end up going to school. I'm thinking it'll be like a true name/image/likeness type deal where a big name recruit can be in commercials and on billboards and stuff. But I don't think it would nullify Spyre being able to do their thing as well.

Adidas is the first major sports brand to offer this deal, which could include more than 50,000 athletes at the 109 schools the company sponsors. The adidas program allows athletes to be brand ambassadors, and the rollout will start with historically black colleges and universities and Power 5 schools in the fall.

The eligible athletes would have the opportunity to earn a percentage of the sales they drive at adidas.com or the adidas app, as well as be paid per social media post.
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KnoxtotheBoro20 said:
Idk where De1 had been recently, but I’m out at NPA in Nashville this morning and all I’m hearing their staff talk about is UT and LSU. Wonder if Kentucky is losing its touch here
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They are probably trying to find a way to cash in on the NIL system because their booster network is no more, basically they are playing nice.
 
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Johnny Majors' Ghost said:
As you have seen he is in the student directory. That appears to be clearing a hurdle which is good. It’s not done done but certainly trending toward that. He is coming at back end of the weekend thru early next week.

AP on Bru McCoy.
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Glad you brung this over from his thread. Some good brunch-time news, for sure. I need to brush-up on his history and stats at USC.

I’ll say this: it will be brutal if we lose another one that’s listed in the directory. Still bruised from Neyor flipping.
 
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The adidas deal is primarily for lesser known athletes. They are going to sign a bunch of kids up and pay most of them nothing other than a free hoodie and a promise for a commission of any traffic they drive to adidas.com from a link. Most of them will get nothing. Kids at places like NC State may get something like $500 to post an adidas ad, assuming they have a big enough following.

Barstool has a similar program and sponsors almost 8000 athletes, with only a few actually making money. Volleyball players/gymnasts are actually the highest paid in the program, for obvious reasons. #bonk

For the big-time players, nothing really changes with this program. The best guys will be eligible for shoe deals in college now, which really isn't that much different than it was before. It just takes the AAU coaches out of it for the most part and makes it legal.
 
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In listening and reading more and more about NIL and all the evolving it has gone thru in the short time it's been around, there's one thing i've learned....

there will never NOT be enough money to land kids.....you start bringing the Nike's and Adidas in to the mix that will do add on deals to go along with collectives, local deals and any/all other avenues to earn a buck....there's PLENTY to go around.

'member when we used to talk about this as how it was sad a kid could get punished for selling $35 Autographs? or selling a jersey on Ebay? i 'member. lol.
 
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SSVol said:
No. Shoe companies give all players some money. Spyre gives some players more money. Ever been to an auction? You've got the guys that show up looking for a deal. They bid low on everything, but have no real conviction. Then you have the guys that show up with money to buy a specific thing. They bid with conviction. Spyre is the latter.
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Gotcha
 
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AP says we could take up to 4 more WR's, depending on who they are.....

expects Herring, Telander and maybe a few other Defensive guys to be in the boat by June-ish....

CB this year, is last year's LB. Hubbs thinks they have to do something in the portal for CB.

Slaughter, Charles, McDonald all getting reps at CB just b/c of numbers. could see a scenario where Holiday moves to CB just to see the field..and numbers. will be interesting to see how many of the 4 CB's that are currently out/limited, will be back for Summer. all believe this is a big deal for the defense.

AP believes Nico would have come here pre-NIL, says he and the family absolutely fell in love with TN and KNoxville and doesn't care what anyone else thinks about that vs. NIL deal being THE reason he came here.

the last 3 minutes of the pod cast they go thru a pretty good list of guys, and according to AP, they can take 7 transfers, so you could see 32 new names on the roster wit this class.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
How in the hell do you suppose that Tillman, a guy we don't even have..yet, and a really talented fast guy but with dropsies and issues with physical play are an "upgrade" on last years trio of Tillman, Velus and Payton?

Potential is good, but...that's all it is.
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I just see Bru filling the Velus role a lot better than Velus did. Catching those 10 yard hitches and bubble screens at 220+ will be hell to deal with 1on1. Payton, I loved the big plays, but he would always disappear 2nd quarter to the end of the game. It was weird, 75 yard td then a bubble screen and nothing else the rest of the game. No slants, no corner routes etc. Nothing, so any production from a 3rd WR will be a bonus
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Gotcha
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And to elaborate a bit further, while those donating to Spyre have zero concern about ROI (although some businesses will), a shoe company is entirely driven by ROI. They will budget a certain amount for all collegiate athletics (Adidas' total ad budget for 2019 was $688M), and then spread it around where they think it gives them the best ROI....as measured in selling gear. I'm sure there will be some guys like Nico looking at large deals, but they probably can't top the more focused spends that top schools would offer to lock up cornerstone athletes. The Spyre justification for Nico is undoubtedly more than just being our QB, I'm sure they are looking at the pull through with other players.
 
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