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volbeast33 said:
I can’t believe you have bought into that nonsense.
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I know.

They just tricked me into believing in gay folks 10 years ago. And lefthanded folks don't have psychological issues 15 years ago. They just aren't natural...but god bless them.

Regressivism always wins.
 
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Devo182 said:
I know.

They just tricked me into believing in gay folks 10 years ago. And lefthanded folks don't have psychological issues 15 years ago. They just aren't natural...but god bless them.

Regressivism always wins.
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I don’t have any issue with gay people…. Left handed people or someone who chooses to do whatever they want to do their body whether it be as a transgender or anything else…. That doesn’t mean that cutting your penis off or taking hormones should allow you to compete against a sport designed for biological women…. Common sense is not regressivism.
 
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Devo182 said:
No, she actually transitioned. Not sure where you got that from. I just read 5 mins about her and it was made clear she transitioned. It's not a guy in drag, like that turrible ole movie Juwanna Man 🤣🤣 No, really, that movie was awful 😑
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Call it what you will. Still has the plumbing of a man. I call it cheating.
 
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UTProf said:
This. I'm fine with Lia being/identifying as a woman. I'm not fine with being forced to compete against her. That's simply not a fair competition. I think the issue is where the cutoff line is going to be because I think it would probably be fair if she'd never gone through male puberty but there are some things that can't be fixed simply by taking hormones, especially after the fact.
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Exactly. If hormonal treatments had started before puberty, maybe there'd be an argument. But allowing a child to decide they want to be a different gender sets up another whole set of ethical questions. Reminds me of that Jazz TV show. I'm not God, I don't have all the answers. What I do know is males and females are genetically different and no surgery is gonna change that. Males develop more musculature throughout puberty and that's going to give them a natural advantage over females. And no amount of hormone treatment or surgery erases that. It's an unfair competitive advantage. It's tantamount to being on steroids. Lia can go and live her life however she wants, but she shouldn't be competing against people actually born female.
 
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UTProf said:
This. I'm fine with Lia being/identifying as a woman. I'm not fine with being forced to compete against her. That's simply not a fair competition. I think the issue is where the cutoff line is going to be because I think it would probably be fair if she'd never gone through male puberty but there are some things that can't be fixed simply by taking hormones, especially after the fact.
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Well said. The puberty part is the key from my understanding. Once you develop the size, length, and muscle mass of an adult male, no amount of hormone therapy and cosmetic surgery can equalize that competitive advantage.
 
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Devo182 said:
I know.

They just tricked me into believing in gay folks 10 years ago. And lefthanded folks don't have psychological issues 15 years ago. They just aren't natural...but god bless them.

Regressivism always wins.
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Everyone knows lefthanded people are serial killers.
 
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Devo182 said:
Exactly. She's taken the transitioning horomones for years, as far as I've read. Not a stunt obviously...not a guy in drag as other poster suggested. No idea about surgery, that is another step...quite a big one in my opinion 😅 I can't imagine...but the drag resistance gainz...🤔🤔
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It's not a guy in drag. It's a guy. Allowed to compete against females.
 
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Devo182 said:
Reality of what?

She's a woman. She may also have a possible biological advantage due to growing up with extra testosterone while developing.

Afaik that's as close to reality as I know. Of course, tons of opinion and disagreeing science is all swept in it. But that's as much as I know about her situation and others' trans athlete situations.
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No, it's NOT a woman. That's the entire point.
 
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The world is becoming more and more confusing. I just try to stay respectful of others. I don't even mind calling people by their preferred pronouns as long as they let me know what they are. Don't assume I'm going to know them. But when it comes to sports, competition is supposed to be fair. Lia clearly has an unfair advantage. She shouldn't be allowed to compete against people naturally born as women. If it's that important for her to compete, create a trans category of competition.
 
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Devo182 said:
I know.

They just tricked me into believing in gay folks 10 years ago. And lefthanded folks don't have psychological issues 15 years ago. They just aren't natural...but god bless them.

Regressivism always wins.
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This isn't about sexual or identification PREFERENCES. It's about physiological REALITY. Freedom and choices doesn't supersede.
 
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Weezer said:
Exactly. If hormonal treatments had started before puberty, maybe there'd be an argument. But allowing a child to decide they want to be a different gender sets up another whole set of ethical questions. Reminds me of that Jazz TV show. I'm not God, I don't have all the answers. What I do know is males and females are genetically different and no surgery is gonna change that. Males develop more musculature throughout puberty and that's going to give them a natural advantage over females. And no amount of hormone treatment or surgery erases that. It's an unfair competitive advantage. It's tantamount to being on steroids. Lia can go and live her life however she wants, but she shouldn't be competing against people actually born female.
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Men also have bigger hearts and lungs than women. Can't undo that either with hormone therapy.
 
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Dudley Smith said:
Well said. The puberty part is the key from my understanding. Once you develop the size, length, and muscle mass of an adult male, no amount of hormone therapy and cosmetic surgery can equalize that competitive advantage.
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I wouldn't entirely rule out that most of the benefits are reduced enough to fall within an acceptable range after a few years of hormone treatment and for some sports that might be enough. It might even be enough for amateur sports where there isn't a ton on the line. But there are things beyond the obvious benefits of testosterone, like Lia's ability to store oxygen - men are better at it and hers is an endurance competition - that also have to be considered. When (if ever) does that reduce enough for their to be competitive parity? It's more than just hormones although that is certainly the biggest boost.

Also, right now though Lia is allowed to have a higher testosterone level than I am and that's simply not fair. I don't want to keep her or anyone else from fair competition but the competition has to be fair or it's absolutely garbage. The science on this isn't as set as either side wants to pretend. I think we will eventually get the right handle on it to where someone like Lia can either be handicapped or given the proper treatment to grant a fair competition but not every sport is going to be able to gaurantee fair play for a while yet.
 
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