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#11,701
cardvolfan said:
I just don’t get your argument. Numbers don’t lie. The guy is a beast and quietly averages a double/double plus more. Maybe he is a “quiet” guy, but he is remarkably productive. I also think he will end up a very good NBA player. Not great, but good.
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Oscar is barely projected to be drafted, but will end up a good NBA player? He's 6'9. Can't defend mobile bigs and has 0 outside shot. No elite go-to move under the basket. Struggles against length. Lost the battle vs Walker Kessler and could barely get a shot over Aidoo.

He has a good motor and can run but he's not an elite athlete by any means.

It's not the 90's anymore.
 
#11,704
#11,704
johnfnkelly said:
Oscar is barely projected to be drafted, but will end up a good NBA player? He's 6'9. Can't defend mobile bigs and has 0 outside shot. No go-to move under the basket. Struggles against length. Lost the battle vs Walker Kessler and could barely get a shot over Aidoo.

He has a good motor and can run but he's not an elite athlete by any means.

It's not the 90's anymore.
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Can’t defend mobile bigs? Who? Aidoo did a good job against him, but he also obviously had some success inside. No go-to move under the basket? How many points per game does he average? Do you realize his mid-range 15-17 footer is incredibly accurate?
 
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#11,708
#11,708
cardvolfan said:
Can’t defend mobile bigs? Who? Aidoo did a good job against him, but he also obviously had some success inside. No go-to move under the basket? How many points per game does he average? Do you realize his mid-range 15-17 footer is incredibly accurate?
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Fulkerson took him to school multiple times in Knoxville. His ppg is high because of his offensive rebounding and motor.
 
#11,710
#11,710
johnfnkelly said:
Fulkerson took him to school multiple times in Knoxville. His ppg is high because of his offensive rebounding and motor.
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Yeah, most guys score more points when they are better offensive rebounders. Isn’t scoring more points the objective in basketball? When you score more, by whatever pathway, don’t you usually win?
 
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#11,711
cardvolfan said:
Yeah, most guys score more points when they are better offensive rebounders. Isn’t scoring more points the objective in basketball? When you score more, by whatever pathway, don’t you usually win?
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My point is that it isn't going to translate to the NBA, like you suggest it will. Maymon and Stokes were also double/ double machines- remind me where they're at right now?

You implied his high ppg is an indictment of his back to the basket game
No go-to move under the basket? How many points per game does he average?
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when it's more so because of his rebounding and effort.
 
#11,712
#11,712
johnfnkelly said:
My point is that it isn't going to translate to the NBA, like you suggest it will. Maymon and Stokes were also double/ double machines- remind me where they're at right now?

You implied his high ppg is an indictment of his back to the basket game
when it's more so because of his rebounding and effort.
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Man, I don’t imply anything. I will tell you straight up what I think. I think Oscar will be a good NBA player. Again, if you’re trying to project what I’m implying, then you will be disappointed. I will also say I never guarantee anything. My opinions are opinions….nothing more.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Man, I don’t imply anything. I will tell you straight up what I think. I think Oscar will be a good NBA player. Again, if you’re trying to project what I’m implying, then you will be disappointed. I will also say I never guarantee anything. My opinions are opinions….nothing more.
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The best rebounders in the NBA are players with elite size/ length/ athleticism (Adams, Gobert, Capela, giannis, Sabonis etc) all of these players contribute outside rebounding as well, which Oscar won't be able to do so in the league. He's not a shot blocker, not a playmaker, not a shooter. He benefits off being stronger than everybody else in college.

The only 3 players in the top 10 of the SEC's leading rebounding category (since 85) that made a name in the league were Shaq, Glen Davis and Al Horford. He's obviously not as good as Shaq or Horford, and a player like Davis wouldn't exist in today's league.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
The best rebounders in the NBA are players with elite size/ length/ athleticism (Adams, Gobert, Capela, giannis, Sabonis etc) all of these players contribute outside rebounding as well, which Oscar won't be able to do so in the league. He's not a shot blocker, not a playmaker, not a shooter. He benefits off being stronger than everybody else in college.

The only 3 players in the top 10 of the SEC's leading rebounding category (since 85) that made a name in the league were Shaq, Glen Davis and Al Horford. He's obviously not as good as Shaq or Horford, and a player like Davis wouldn't exist in today's league.
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Charles Barkley’s lack of success at 6’7” is an indicator that Oscar will be highly unsuccessful.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
Are you seriously comparing Oscar to Barkley? lmfao. Dude had a 40 inch vert and could go coast to coast as well as any forward to grace the hardwood. Oscar isn't that guy.
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40 inches? You’re wrong. LA Times article quotes 35 inches. If you think the majority had him at 40 inches, I can see why your opinions about Oscar are so displaced.
 
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#11,718
cardvolfan said:
40 inches? You’re wrong. LA Times article quotes 35 inches. If you think the majority had him at 40 inches, I can see why your opinions about Oscar are so displaced.
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Wow, 5 inches. There was only a handful of players in the NBA that could contest a dunk from Barkley and only a handful of players that could contest him from driving to the rim. Pippen and Rodman were the only players that could potentially do both- which is what i'm getting at. He was also incredible smooth- Oscar is not. You clearly don't watch NBA ball if you're really comparing Oscar to Barkley.
 
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#11,721
Still can't get over this man comparing Oscar to CHARLES BARKLEY, who went 5th in the arguably the best draft ever. There's not one credible mock with Oscar going in the first round. Comical.
 
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#11,722
johnfnkelly said:
Still can't get over this man comparing Oscar to CHARLES BARKLEY, who went 5th in the arguably the best draft ever. There's not one credible mock with Oscar going in the first round. Comical.
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I never compared him to Barkley’s success. I said that Barkley, at 6’7” was able to be successful. You’re making all kinds of things up.
 
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#11,724
cardvolfan said:
I never compared him to Barkley’s success. I said that Barkley, at 6’7” was able to be successful. You’re making all kinds of things up.
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Barkley was able to be successful because he was a freak athlete with NBA translatable skills? lol it's also not the 90's anymore. Barkley was a wing- Oscar is a center.
 
#11,725
#11,725
johnfnkelly said:
He doesn't pass the eye test to me.

Feels like a lot of his rebounds come from rebounding his own misses inside. He's a rebounding machine, sure, but no where near a top 5 player in college, to me.
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He shoots 60% on 11.4 attempts, which means he misses about 4.5 shots per game. He averages 15.2 rpg, so even if he rebounded every single miss of his own (which is an admirable quality) and you disqualify those rebounds, he'd still average a double-double.
 
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