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[Volfan2012]

To add I have nothing against her Walker as a competitor, but her numbers expand that we need much better play at the point guard position. 240 attempts for 231 points is 0.96 per attempt and 1.0 is considered fair offensively so she is below that on offense. Powell before she left 261 points in 19 games on 222 field goal attempts for a 1.18 which is getting up there because 1.2 would be the beginning of elite. To put that in perspective Rickea Jackson went for 305 points on 295 Field goal attempts for a 1.03 which is just over fair offense. Of course we want her badly, but the way she affected Miss St offensively was not as great as the way Powell affected Minnesota offensively this season. Powell was the more efficient player at least for the time they played this season. That doesn't mean she would be in any other season, but when you get get a 1.18 point per field goal attempted from you point guard you are getting great production.

 

[Volfan2012]

Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad we got Powell and she probably does have a higher ceiling on court than JW. But on paper, their stats are almost identical. Everyone loves the quarterback who's currently not playing.

IMO a big part of the problem with the ball getting stuck in our PGs hand is how slowly our other players move and cut on offense. We only recently started moving on offense at all, so hopefully these are baby steps which are bound to improve. Sharp cuts and quick movement without the ball will magically make our PGs better.

But one criticism I will add, both Walker and Miles sometimes telegraph passes more clearly than Western Union, especially when trying to get the ball inside.

Like I just posted Walker scores at a 0.96 per shot attempted and Powell scores at a 1.18 that is a dramatic difference. Also a dramatic difference in steals, and Assists to turnover ratio. Powell is also worth about 7 ppg more at a higher efficiency than Walker. Walker is a great competitor, but if you dig into the stats not just field goal percentage you can see the huge difference.

 

[glv98]

Actually, Walkers current a./t.o. ratio and Powell's career ratio are within a couple .10ths of being identical. Both are good.

Our guards, including JH are very poor shooters (with JH on the rise when she got hurt). But again, Powell's career stats are virtually identical and not great percentage wise. Hopefully they'll all be better next year.

 

[Volfan2012]

Actually, Walkers current a./t.o. ratio and Powell's career ratio are within a couple .10ths of being identical. Both are good.

Our guards, including JH are very poor shooters (with JH on the rise when she got hurt). But again, Powell's career stats are virtually identical and not great percentage wise. Hopefully they'll all be better next year.

A 1.18 points per shot attempt is very good and I'll take that anytime a point guard plays. I think you and many others are going to be amazed at the difference in point guard play when Powell gets here of course we have to wait until next season to find out.

 

[LV renaissance]

assist/turnover ratio is not that meaningful without the number. I would much rather a point guard who averages 6 assists and 3 turnovers than 2 assists and 1 turnover even though the ratio is the same. A team typically needs several assists to maximize effectiveness, and this is hard to accomplish if the PG is averaging just a few. We have had several games in which JW and BM combined are under 5 assists, which partly accounts for our ugly offense.

 

[Volfan2012]

Agreed how you can say 99 assists in 825 minutes played is equivalent to 98 assists in 527 minutes played. How many more assists would Powell have if she had played the other 300 minutes that Walker played. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion very easy for me to see what an elite point guard Powell is and will be here. If someone doesn't no problem.

 

[Real Info]

A 1.18 points per shot attempt is very good and I'll take that anytime a point guard plays. I think you and many others are going to be amazed at the difference in point guard play when Powell gets here of course we have to wait until next season to find out.

It just each one’s opinion, but I agree. I think Powell will be an upgrade at the PG position, but I think it also makes Walker a better player because she will be on the wing. She will still be one of our best perimeter defenders, plus allowed to play off the ball will put her in her natural position. Win win for the team!

 

[Coach Jumper]

Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad we got Powell and she probably does have a higher ceiling on court than JW. But on paper, their stats are almost identical. Everyone loves the quarterback who's currently not playing.

IMO a big part of the problem with the ball getting stuck in our PGs hand is how slowly our other players move and cut on offense. We only recently started moving on offense at all, so hopefully these are baby steps which are bound to improve. Sharp cuts and quick movement without the ball will magically make our PGs better.

But one criticism I will add, both Walker and Miles sometimes telegraph passes more clearly than Western Union, especially when trying to get the ball inside.

Powell got her numbers as the #2 scoring threat for Minnesota ,,, big difference

All of our girls try to lob the ball as a "pass" when it should be a "shot to the hand"...you make a back-entry lob to a post like you would a shot,,,high arching and dropping into the target hand...done right there is no way a shorter post could ever intercept it

 

[Cb153181]

Powell got her numbers as the #2 scoring threat for Minnesota ,,, big difference

All of our girls try to lob the ball as a "pass" when it should be a "shot to the hand"...you make a back-entry lob to a post like you would a shot,,,high arching and dropping into the target hand...done right there is no way a shorter post could ever intercept it

If we can get one more player that can score from anywhere or create their own shot next year. We will be great

 

[glv98]

Powell did not play in the SEC. Big difference. LOL but I sound like I'm not delighted we got her. I am. Especially after hearing her interview. I do think PG play will improve next year. Kellie Jean Harper certainly thinks so, she jumped on Powell quickly and impressed her by picking her up at the airport personally. I trust her PG judgement, and credit her for a nice recruiting get. Nice to have that sewn up so far in advance!

We have had several games in which JW and BM combined are under 5 assists, which partly accounts for our ugly offense.

Our low number of assisted baskets in general is ugly offense. Hopefully both player and ball movement will improve.

 

[kamoshika]

To add I have nothing against her Walker as a competitor, but her numbers expand that we need much better play at the point guard position. 240 attempts for 231 points is 0.96 per attempt and 1.0 is considered fair offensively so she is below that on offense. Powell before she left 261 points in 19 games on 222 field goal attempts for a 1.18 which is getting up there because 1.2 would be the beginning of elite. To put that in perspective Rickea Jackson went for 305 points on 295 Field goal attempts for a 1.03 which is just over fair offense. Of course we want her badly, but the way she affected Miss St offensively was not as great as the way Powell affected Minnesota offensively this season. Powell was the more efficient player at least for the time they played this season. That doesn't mean she would be in any other season, but when you get get a 1.18 point per field goal attempted from you point guard you are getting great production.

FWIW, Powell's scoring total last year was 261 points; this season she had 236.
Jasmine Powell Stats | ESPN

But all of the scoring totals listed above include FT points. Subtract those and:

• Walker has averaged 0.77 points per FG attempt this year (184 points on 240 shots)...she was at 0.78 last year and 0.91 her final season at WMU
• Powell's average this year was 0.75 points per FGA (161/214). She was significantly better last season at 0.91 (202/222)
• Jackson's average this year was 0.88 (259/295)

 

[Volfan2012]

FWIW, Powell's scoring total last year was 261 points; this season she had 236.
Jasmine Powell Stats | ESPN

But all of the scoring totals listed above include FT points. Subtract those and:

• Walker has averaged 0.77 points per FG attempt this year (184 points on 240 shots)...she was at 0.78 last year and 0.91 her final season at WMU
• Jackson's average this year was 0.88 points per FGA (259/295)
• Powell's average this year was 0.75 (161/214). She was significantly better last season at 0.91 (202/222)

Well those numbers are all wrong and if you look at your link you will see that. Powell scored more points than shot attempts all three seasons. 375 on 346, 261 on 222, 236 on 214 and 872 career points on 782 Field goal attempts.

 

[kamoshika]

Well those numbers are all wrong and if you look at your link you will see that. Powell scored more points than shot attempts all three seasons. 375 on 346, 261 on 222, 236 on 214 and 872 career points on 782 Field goal attempts.

Again, you're including her scoring from free throws; you can't calculate points per FG attempt without subtracting FT points. Yes, she scored 872 points at Minnesota but 233 of those were from free throws, so she scored 639 points on 782 shots from the field for a career average of 0.82 pts per FGA.

Powell only hit 32.2% of her FGAs this year, so I knew she couldn't have averaged 1.18 points per shot.

 

[Volfan2012]

Again, you're including her scoring from free throws; you can't calculate points per FG attempt without subtracting FT points. Yes, she scored 872 points at Minnesota but 233 of those were from free throws, so she scored 639 points on 782 shots from the field for a career average of 0.82 pts per FGA.

Powell only hit 32.2% of her FGAs this year, so I knew she couldn't have averaged 1.18 points per shot.

That doesn't count in your eff is only a factor of an attempt where you were fouled. Never has been counted that way your coming up with something totally different. Always total points versus shots attempted. Is simple eff could add all the other factors but this one is good enough to know how points are being scored by a player to get their per game total. I can figure their total eff if need be. Points are all that matter in a game.

 

[Lucy]

If her knee gets back to normal and no brace yes but she has been wearing that thing since she has been here a huge detriment to her game and will continue to be if she still has to wear it next season. Regardless Powell is just way faster and far better at the point position and I can't see anyway she won't have the starting position no matter what happens at the other positions.

I’m not saying Powell/Miles would not mean Walker at the 2. I was responding to you saying Walker was as good as she was ever going to be.

 

[Volfan2012]

I’m not saying Powell/Miles would not mean Walker at the 2. I was responding to you saying Walker was as good as she was ever going to be.

Well there is always hope she will get better will be her sixth season most players reach their peak in their third or fourth year I hope she hasn't.

 

[Lucy]

Again, you're including her scoring from free throws; you can't calculate points per FG attempt without subtracting FT points. Yes, she scored 872 points at Minnesota but 233 of those were from free throws, so she scored 639 points on 782 shots from the field for a career average of 0.82 pts per FGA.

Powell only hit 32.2% of her FGAs this year, so I knew she couldn't have averaged 1.18 points per shot.

If she is drawing fouls, I don’t care. All her points count.

 

[Volfan2012]

Jasmine Powell Stats | ESPN

Actually it shows it on the ESPN totals her career sc-eff is 1.115

Jordan Walker Stats | ESPN

Walker has a 1.008

 

[VolBall09]

I think they will compliment each other very well. I suspect Jasmine will bring some explosiveness offensively we have been missing from the PG spot. Walker is a floor general but with her bum knee there is a limit to her explosiveness.

 

[LV renaissance]

There are three things that I most look forward to having Powell on board. First, as discussed here she should create way more assists for our offense. Secondly, she is known for her defense and athleticism. This will give us more of an option to play lock down defense including pressing more often and creating more turnovers. Thirdly, it given us more guard depth for the next couple of years.

By the way, it is ridiculous to act like the Big Ten is so much weaker than the SEC. They are going to have more teams in the top 16 seeds in the NCAA than the SEC. Also, everyone downplayed Michigan last year in predicting how the LVs would dominate them in the NCAAs. We found out the hard way that the negative stereotype that the Big 10 is a horrible women's basketball conference isn't true anymore. So, Powell has had plenty of challenges playing in the Big Ten and it is quite the honor to be named on the all Big Ten 2nd team in her Sophomore season.

 

[kamoshika]

Never has been counted that way your coming up with something totally different.

I was using your metric of points per FG attempt.

When gauging a player's overall shooting prowess, one way to incorporate free throws is to look at true shooting %, which shows Powell at 47.9% and Walker at 42.2%.

 

[Volfan2012]

I was using your metric of points per FG attempt.

When gauging a player's overall shooting prowess, one way to incorporate free throws is to look at true shooting %, which shows Powell at 47.9% and Walker at 42.2%.

No problem I just use the SC-eff stat for how many points they are achieving each time they touch the ball. It is not perfect, but it does tell you how many points they are scoring whether that be at the line or otherwise. Jasmine does a lot of scoring at the line much more so than Jordan. She is able to get there much more than Jordan can. Being able to get to the line is a huge enough factor for the point position being able to make them is imperative. She shoots them at about 75 percent which is better than the point players we have now. It might not mean much in a game, but four to five more points certainly helps the cause.

 

[Volfan2012]

did u mean to leave walker or wynn out ? i have a feeling they'll both ply significant rolls next year.

I left them out of what would be my top eight or nine even though they could easily get back in there especially Walker. Sometimes you just can't take feelings about any player into effect you have to see them for what they are actually doing for the team. My honest feeling is that we need to upgrade about two or three more players. You must have consistency and effective scoring to get to the top in WCCB. Were not getting that much from point guard on offense even though the players we have there give maximum effort. The three is not effective enough need a player than can get to the rim if defenses crowd them. Even with all our players healthy we were not the best team in the country we were probably in the top ten. We all know we need some better players at some positions. That is not trying to be mean or offensive to any present player it is just an obvious fact.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

I left them out of what would be my top eight or nine even though they could easily get back in there especially Walker. Sometimes you just can't take feelings about any player into effect you have to see them for what they are actually doing for the team. My honest feeling is that we need to upgrade about two or three more players. You must have consistency and effective scoring to get to the top in WCCB. Were not getting that much from point guard on offense even though the players we have there give maximum effort. The three is not effective enough need a player than can get to the rim if defenses crowd them. Even with all our players healthy we were not the best team in the country we were probably in the top ten. We all know we need some better players at some positions. That is not trying to be mean or offensive to any present player it is just an obvious fact.

i feel like you already answered this post ... i'm not trying to be mean either but i feel like i'm getting lost in your posts because they r becoming a bit repetitive. I agree we need to upgrade the roster as well. but maybe it's me but i felt like we had this discussion or i saw it in some of your previous couple of posts

 

[Mr.Vol2U]

If her knee gets back to normal and no brace yes but she has been wearing that thing since she has been here a huge detriment to her game and will continue to be if she still has to wear it next season. Regardless Powell is just way faster and far better at the point position and I can't see anyway she won't have the starting position no matter what happens at the other positions.

There is nothing wrong with her knee anymore. She said in an interview during the season she just wears it for precaution. Her knee has been healed years ago. She stated it makes her feel comfortable