‘23 CA QB Nicholaus Iamaleava (Tennessee)

[Orange_Crush]

UT isn't the one spending the money. The recruiting budget has nothing to do with this.

You aren't gonna get an elite roster for $10M if you are paying a single QB $2-3M per year. I assume every quality player is making money every year. It'll be way more than $10M. They aren't selling out the stadium now, but more money than the annual ticket sales is just gonna materialize to pay players...and continue to buy tickets? No.

So, is this an argument about a person's right to their own likeness? Or is this a conversation about keeping one's favorite sports team competitive? We should all probably set that as a baseline.

 

[SSVol]

So, is this an argument about a person's right to their own likeness? Or is this a conversation about keeping one's favorite sports team competitive? We should all probably set that as a baseline.

It's a conversation about how much money is really available and where the arms race eventually implodes on itself.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It's a conversation about how much money is really available and where the arms race eventually implodes on itself.

You're describing a free market. Bad markets SHOULD implode.

With that said, are you one who ascribes to a general philosophy of personal freedoms? What principles would be used to defend robbing a person of their freedom in favor of a sport's teams competitiveness?

 

[Vol8188]

UT isn't the one spending the money. The recruiting budget has nothing to do with this.

You aren't gonna get an elite roster for $10M if you are paying a single QB $2-3M per year. I assume every quality player is making money every year. It'll be way more than $10M. They aren't selling out the stadium now, but more money than the annual ticket sales is just gonna materialize to pay players...and continue to buy tickets? No.

The recruiting budget was in response to your false claims about investment under CBJ. His recruiting didn't decrease in terms of class rankings because the money went away. He still had a top 3 budget every season. So you couldn't have been more off in that assessment.

It's sad this needs to be explained:

UT is top ten in revenue. UT generates money from the fans and business. That's the same place the money for NIL will be coming from. IDK why that's difficult to understand. Not filling the stadium is not relevant. Most schools aren't selling out but yet we are still top ten in revenue and generate 44 million on tickets alone. That's not counting concessions and parking.

What's your fear? If the money isn't there for a 9 digit roster, then players won't make that much. If the money is there for a 20 digit roster, then the players will make more. Why does it matter either way to you?

 

[Orange_Crush]

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Don't eat krystals in the Porsche. You may have trouble getting the smell out.

 

[Vol8188]

It's a conversation about how much money is really available and where the arms race eventually implodes on itself.

Why would it implode? Businesses pay what they feel it's worth to them. For some of them that will be a net loss. Where's the implosion?

 

[Orange_Crush]

The recruiting budget was in response to your false claims about investment under CBJ. His recruiting didn't decrease in terms of class rankings because the money went away. He still had a top 3 budget every season. So you couldn't have been more off in that assessment.

It's sad this needs to be explained:

UT is top ten in revenue. UT generates money from the fans and business. That's the same place the money for NIL will be coming from. IDK why that's difficult to understand. Not filling the stadium is not relevant. Most schools aren't selling out but yet we are still top ten in revenue and generate 44 million on tickets alone. That's not counting concessions and parking.

What's your fear? If the money isn't there for a 9 digit roster, then players won't make that much. If the money is there for a 20 digit roster, then the players will make more. Why does it matter either way to you?

That's a very good point.

If anything, NIL may give UT a BETTER chance of being competitive than without. The administration's dedication to being successful has been called into question for years. NIL may give businesses and fans an endd-around to have more say in the matter.

 

[Vol8188]

That's a very good point.

If anything, NIL may give UT a BETTER chance of being competitive than without. The administration's dedication to being successful has been called into question for years. NIL may give businesses and fans an endd-around to have more say in the matter.

Apparently @SSVol is a business owner who loses money annually on his season tickets (as almost every business owner does, even if they were 100% deductible, with the exception of those who may be able to sell their tickets at a profit) yet he doesn't believe businesses will accept a loss to support their school.

That's his real argument and it's amazing.

 

[SSVol]

The recruiting budget was in response to your false claims about investment under CBJ. His recruiting didn't decrease in terms of class rankings because the money went away. He still had a top 3 budget every season. So you couldn't have been more off in that assessment.

It's sad this needs to be explained:

UT is top ten in revenue. UT generates money from the fans and business. That's the same place the money for NIL will be coming from. IDK why that's difficult to understand. Not filling the stadium is not relevant. Most schools aren't selling out but yet we are still top ten in revenue and generate 44 million on tickets alone. That's not counting concessions and parking.

What's your fear? If the money isn't there for a 9 digit roster, then players won't make that much. If the money is there for a 20 digit roster, then the players will make more. Why does it matter either way to you?

I'm not talking about the recruiting budget or money paid directly to UT. I'm talking about the booster money paid directly to players, which is the closest comparison to NIL money.

Your straw man shtick is getting tiresome.

 

[SSVol]

Apparently @SSVol is a business owner who loses money annually on his season tickets (as almost every business owner does, even if they were 100% deductible, with the exception of those who may be able to sell their tickets at a profit) yet he doesn't believe businesses will accept a loss to support their school.

That's his real argument and it's amazing.

And I have not once said people won't pay. The question was simply whether they will pay at the same level when things don't suit them. News flash, they won't, just like season ticket sales go up and down based on how happy they are with the results.

 

[Vol8188]

I'm not taking about the recruiting budget or money paid directly to UT. I'm talking about the booster money paid directly to players, which is the closest comparison to NIL money.

Your straw man shtick is getting tiresome.

You mentioned Butch Jones recruiting and investment. That’s why I mentioned the recruiting budget specifically because that was pre NIL.

If not from the fans and businesses where will NIL come? You seem to be willfully ignorant of the simple fact that the same things it takes to be elite in terms of revenue are the same things it takes to be elite in terms of NIL.

 

[Vol8188]

And I have not once said people won't pay. The question was simply whether they will pay at the same level when things don't suit them. News flash, they won't, just like season ticket sales go up and down based on how happy they are with the results.

And yet the revenue remains constantly near the top of the sport. So clearly they’re still paying

 

[sjt18]

You're describing a free market. Bad markets SHOULD implode.

With that said, are you one who ascribes to a general philosophy of personal freedoms? What principles would be used to defend robbing a person of their freedom in favor of a sport's teams competitiveness?

Robbing? If a player and a team agree to terms... NO ONE is robbed. That is precisely how free markets work. "Value" isn't simply a function of what the "seller" or some third party arbitrarily "FEELS" it should be. The value is what the seller AND buyer agree to freely. If there is "no deal" then that's fine. Both can look for different partners.

 

[Devo182]

What's the percentage of 3*'s?

8% is the circulated figure

 

[Devo182]

If he signs with UT he will definitely not be ranked number 1. They simply will not allow it

Lol ok. Someone literally documented a couple years ago which teams got post commitment bumps throughout the SEC...we were #1 overall.

If you think UT players have been getting underrated the last decade...I don't know what to say.

But I get it, UT fans only focus on UT players and humans naturally remember and focus on the negatives. Same as in poker...you'll forget a big hand in 10 minutes but remember a bad beat for a lifetime. We, as fans, just have selection (or availability) bias because all we read is about our own happenings. Every fanbase in the world (across sports) has similar reactions. Just read any 247 "updated rankings" article...literally every fanbase in America is unhappy....even Bammers

 

[Vol8188]

If he signs with UT he will definitely not be ranked number 1. They simply will not allow it

Smith and McKenzie disagree.

 

[sjt18]

What's the percentage of 3*'s?

What would that prove? The accuracy of the ratings isn't largely the guys they slap a 4/5* rating on. It is the number of guys with just as much or more talent that they do NOT rate 4/5* even after supposedly evaluating them. They arbitrarily set limits on the 4/5* ratings to obscure their inaccuracy.

If you had 5,000 marbles ranging from 1/2 inch to 1 inch and were asked to select 50 that were larger than 7/8 inch and another 450 that were larger than 3/4 inch only using your own eyes and a steel tape measure... you could probably do a pretty good job of it. You would have some that were under the standard. You might miss as many that met the standard as you found but you could still claim "accuracy". That's what the recruiting sites do. But that is not how many perceive what they do.

To be truly "accurate" the recruiting sites would have to accurately separate ALL of the marbles that measured over 7/8 inch. Each year the number of marbles that met the standard would change.

Again, this is why the recruiting sites arbitrarily limit the number of 4/5* ratings they hand out.

 

[Devo182]

Sooo... he WAS a 5* . QED.

We're talking composite. It is the default. Even ESPN could rate someone a 5* singlehandedly...wouldn't matter much. Same as Farrell "Trey Smith is garbage" Farrell.

 

[sjt18]

If he signs with UT he will definitely not be ranked number 1. They simply will not allow it

IF UT gets him and he is ranked in the top 25 then he could very well be the foundation for a new era of UT football... even if he isn't as good as his ranking. Highly rated players tend to help pull other talented players. Some may have rankings to match. Others may be underrated. But the coaches' sales jobs become MUCH easier if you have a guy like this.

 

[Devo182]

Slightly outside the top 10 national you get into such notables as Hunter Johnson, JT Daniels, Blake Barnett. They were all within the top 2 or 3 pro style QBs. For reference, Nico is 4th.

Second or third round NFL draft money for Hunter Johnson? Yikes.

"Slightly"? Hunter Johnson was 30th...

Nico is 4th qb overall (they no longer split dt/ps) but he is 7th overall. Which is saying this is an absurdly strong class. 247 also has him 3rd overall saying this could be a better class than TL/Fields. And 247 is about the only ones worth anything either. On3 has him 5th as well and they have taken a lot of respected analysts.

We're not talking some top 30 or top 60 guy. Vizzina wouldn't command that kind of money either, not close. But a top 3 or 10 kind of QB is a different breed, as one poster pointed out with a list of all of them. Zero busts that I can tell (though no doubt inevitable).

 

[SSVol]

You mentioned Butch Jones recruiting and investment. That’s why I mentioned the recruiting budget specifically because that was pre NIL.

If not from the fans and businesses where will NIL come? You seem to be willfully ignorant of the simple fact that the same things it takes to be elite in terms of revenue are the same things it takes to be elite in terms of NIL.

Man, we clearly cannot communicate. Yes, absolutely, it comes from fans, boosters, businesses, just like it always has...historically through bagmen, whomever they are. What was once in the shadows, is now in the open, at levels much higher than before. It will rise and fall like any market. The only point I have ever been making, despite your effort to paint me as the village idiot, is asking whether the market is overbought when the offers for high school kids are at NFL levels.

Seriously, I'm done.

 

[Devo182]

Yall are acting like it's your money being spent on these dudes.....to the boosters with deep pockets this is change in the couch. Some will bust, and some will be worth far more than what amount pulled them in, like any investment

To be fair, tons of people here have put money into the 1951 club, so this isn't completely accurate.

That said, are there big donors willing to put up 5%+ of their wealth into donating? If so, those are the ones that would get unhappy quickly. Hopefully it's been explained to them what appropriate "bust rates" are...like any investment they should understand the risks.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Robbing? If a player and a team agree to terms... NO ONE is robbed. That is precisely how free markets work. "Value" isn't simply a function of what the "seller" or some third party arbitrarily "FEELS" it should be. The value is what the seller AND buyer agree to freely. If there is "no deal" then that's fine. Both can look for different partners.

I don't think you understand my post. My post agrees with you, and the "robbing" was a reference to denying the player the right to make the deal freely.

The quote you replied to was arguing against limiting or halting the free market due to its supposed impact on those who can't afford to compete in it. That'd be like telling Porsche that they can't charge for their cars since everyone can't afford one.

It's a conversation about how much money is really available and where the arms race eventually implodes on itself.

You're describing a free market. Bad markets SHOULD implode.

With that said, are you one who ascribes to a general philosophy of personal freedoms? What principles would be used to defend robbing a person of their freedom in favor of a sport's teams competitiveness?

 

[The Dog]

I'd rather have Krystals

Me, too. But, it's just because we both have the munchies

 

[VOLUNTEERSZN]

Lol ok. Someone literally documented a couple years ago which teams got post commitment bumps throughout the SEC...we were #1 overall.

If you think UT players have been getting underrated the last decade...I don't know what to say.

But I get it, UT fans only focus on UT players and humans naturally remember and focus on the negatives. Same as in poker...you'll forget a big hand in 10 minutes but remember a bad beat for a lifetime. We, as fans, just have selection (or availability) bias because all we read is about our own happenings. Every fanbase in the world (across sports) has similar reactions. Just read any 247 "updated rankings" article...literally every fanbase in America is unhappy....even Bammers

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