‘23 CA QB Nicholaus Iamaleava (Tennessee)

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VolNash17 said:
Ya… Heupel’s Veer and Shoot offense doesn’t translate well whatsoever into the NFL. There’s been articles on Art Briles’s veer and shoot analyzing the extreme differences in philosophy from that system to the NFL offenses and the quarterbacks in it. But luckily for us all I care about is how well TENNESSEE does….
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It gets used in the NFL quite a bit. Not to the degree we use it but Arizona and KC have a lot of the scheme in their playbook because Kylar and Mahomes literally played in the same type of system... very antiquated take.
 
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Mr French said:
It gets used in the NFL quite a bit. Not to the degree we use it but Arizona and KC have a lot of the scheme in their playbook because Kylar and Mahomes literally played in the same type of system... very antiquated take.
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The Air Raid is a bit different from the veer and shoot. Lolz. There are a few mixed in principles they share but by and large they’re a bit different. Ask any NFL scouts and contact their scouting department. Rules are also different in the NFL. Can’t go more than one yard down the field or you’ll be flagged for lineman down field in the NFL which cuts down the RPO usage rate tremendously. The tempo difference between the Air Raid and Veer and Shoot is also by and large significant. But again I don’t care what they do in the NFL all I care about is how they do here at TENNESSEE
 
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VolNash17 said:
The Air Raid is a bit different from the veer and shoot. Lolz. There are a few mixed in principles they share but by and large they’re a bit different. Ask any NFL scouts and contact their scouting department. Rules are also different in the NFL. Can’t go more than one yard down the field or you’ll be flagged for lineman down field in the NFL which cuts down the RPO usage rate tremendously. The tempo difference between the Air Raid and Veer and Shoot is also by and large significant. But again I don’t care what they do in the NFL all I care about is how they do here at TENNESSEE
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RPO's are rising in the NFL, ask anyone with a brain. More and more run threat qbs are getting drafted. I'm pretty sure Baltimore only runs RPO's because Lamar. A lot of teams use them as a staple. Hell I've watched tannehill run them every game. It will not be to the degree of college but the quarterbacks can translate to the NFL.
Heupel also runs the ball wayyy to much to assign it Air Raid or Arts offense. Just because Heupel takes certain route principles from them and applies it to his offense doesn't make it that.
 
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NFL offenses aren’t what they used to be. Mahomes ran an offense not too different than Heupel’s. If you’re talented enough you’ll make it in the NFL.

Too often coaches get blamed for QBs not working out in the NFL. They did their job getting guys to put up huge numbers in college and get noticed, beyond that it’s on the QB and the highly paid NFL coaches to get the most out of the QB.
 
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Mr French said:
It's not Heupels job to continue coaching them in the NFL... so why is it honestly relevant? He did a hell of a job with D Lock at Missouri. All he has to do is consistently put qbs in the league for their shot. Not be held accountable because non are HOF.
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Why is relevant no Bama QBs have done well in the NFL here then?
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
NFL offenses aren’t what they used to be. Mahomes ran an offense not too different than Heupel’s. If you’re talented enough you’ll make it in the NFL.

Too often coaches get blamed for QBs not working out in the NFL. They did their job getting guys to put up huge numbers in college and get noticed, beyond that it’s on the QB and the highly paid NFL coaches to get the most out of the QB.
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Every starter Heupel’s coached has been prepared mentally and fundamentally to play at the next level. Only limitation has been their ceiling athletically.
 
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Mr French said:
RPO's are rising in the NFL, ask anyone with a brain. More and more run threat qbs are getting drafted. I'm pretty sure Baltimore only runs RPO's because Lamar. A lot of teams use them as a staple. Hell I've watched tannehill run them every game. It will not be to the degree of college but the quarterbacks can translate to the NFL.
Heupel also runs the ball wayyy to much to assign it Air Raid or Arts offense. Just because Heupel takes certain route principles from them and applies it to his offense doesn't make it that.
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RPOs have nothing to do with running QBs. Not that Hype's offense by any means requires running QBs.

Agree with some of the rest - though Briles ran it a ton too. He's most similar to Heupel imo, even if Hype mixes in AR principles - he's far from the AR run/pass distro as you alluded to.
 
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utvolmaniac said:
Tua and Jalen Hurts say hi!
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What has either one of them done? Either one led the league in passing? TDs? Yards per attempt? Completion %? Won an MVP? Made a pro bowl? Made a first team all pro? Made a deep run in the playoffs? Help guide their team to a SB?

Or are you just using the fact that they got drafted and play as successful in the NFL?
 
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Mr French said:
RPO's are rising in the NFL, ask anyone with a brain. More and more run threat qbs are getting drafted. I'm pretty sure Baltimore only runs RPO's because Lamar. A lot of teams use them as a staple. Hell I've watched tannehill run them every game. It will not be to the degree of college but the quarterbacks can translate to the NFL.
Heupel also runs the ball wayyy to much to assign it Air Raid or Arts offense. Just because Heupel takes certain route principles from them and applies it to his offense doesn't make it that.
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Heupel runs the ball too much for it to be Art's offense? That is simply not true. In their last 5 seasons under Art, Baylor averaged the following yards rushing per game:

2011: 235
2012: 231
2013: 259
2014: 215
2015: 327

Heupel learned the system under Joe Jon Finley (a former analyst for Baylor) while he was at Mizzou. He then hired Lebby (Art's former RB coach and Passing Game Coordinator, he is also Art's son-in-law) as his QB coach and then OC at UCF. I am sure there are slight differences, but our offense was similar to Arkansas's (Kendal Briles) and Ole Miss's (Jeff Lebby) because the people running them all learned under Briles or a disciple of Briles.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
That’s not really relevant or fair. College development and NFL success are not equal.
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I wasn't saying it like that. The post I quoted was saying he won't go to Bama because they have no good NFL QBs from Saban but saying we are in a good spot ignoring that fact. Can't have it both ways. I think both are in it
 
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VolByLaw said:
Heupel runs the ball too much for it to be Art's offense? That is simply not true. In their last 5 seasons under Art, Baylor averaged the following yards rushing per game:

2011: 235
2012: 231
2013: 259
2014: 215
2015: 327

Heupel learned the system under Joe Jon Finley (a former analyst for Baylor) while he was at Mizzou. He then hired Lebby (Art's former RB coach and Passing Game Coordinator, he is also Art's son-in-law) as his QB coach and then OC at UCF. I am sure there are slight differences, but our offense was similar to Arkansas's (Kendal Briles) and Ole Miss's (Jeff Lebby) because the people running them all learned under Briles or a disciple of Briles.
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Bingo! Basically the same thing. Run Pass ratios are very similar as well…
 
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allvolrecruiting said:
I wasn't saying it like that. The post I quoted was saying he won't go to Bama because they have no good NFL QBs from Saban but saying we are in a good spot ignoring that fact. Can't have it both ways. I think both are in it
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agree 100%.. can’t throw garbage on one side for not having tremendously successful Quarterbacks in the NFL using that as a argument while at the same time ignoring the history of the quarterbacks under your own coach. Hypocritical. But personally I don’t care what they do in the NFL. If you can break records in college for Tennessee that’s all that matters to me
 
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VolNash17 said:
This should be common knowledge by nowView attachment 436326
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“The context here is Jordan Palmer, former UTEP quarterback and younger brother of Heisman winner and former No. 1 pick Carson Palmer, made his name at the NFL level by training other NFL QBs. Palmer counts PATRICK MAHOMES, Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence and Sam Darnold among his clients.
The client in particular Palmer is talking about above is Jarrett Stidham.”
 
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VolNash17 said:
This should be common knowledge by nowView attachment 436326
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This doesn't correlate because Stidham played his final two years at Auburn. The Briles offense wouldn't be to blame for what he lacked between the ears.
This is similar to the argument that the wing T didn't prepare high school QB for college. A coaches job ultimately is to win games. Almost every Saban QB ever has sucked in the NFL, yet he is the greatest college coach in the modern era, if not history.
 
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bigl3327 said:
This doesn't correlate because Stidham played his final two years at Auburn. The Briles offense wouldn't be to blame for what he lacked between the ears.
This is similar to the argument that the wing T didn't prepare high school QB for college. A coaches job ultimately is to win games. Almost every Saban QB ever has sucked in the NFL, yet he is the greatest college coach in the modern era, if not history.
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and if you read what I sent. I agree. Could care less what they do in the NFL as long as they’re doing well at TENNESSEE
 
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