War in Ukraine

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
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Nothing even Trump could do about it now. The die has been cast already. Where I believe Trump would have been effective is that Russia would not have gone with this plan with him still in office. Trump is too unpredictable to have planned on since he could just do some bat sh** crazy action they werent prepared for. They had the same issue with Reagan, always thought he would push the red button.
 
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lukeneyland said:
I hope that’s not directed at us. Our interest are very aligned with the Indians
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Hannah Ellis-Petersen - Guardian
While most global powers have been roundly damning of Vladimir Putin’s actions in Ukraine, India’s response has been somewhat muted – a reflection of the diplomatic dilemma that the country now finds itself in: torn between Russia and the west.
As the Guardian’s south east Asia correspondent Hannah Ellis-Petersen writes, hours after Putin’s invasion began, the Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi, was among the first to call the Russian president, calling for a “cessation” of violence, but steering clear of directly condemning his actions. India’s top diplomat at the UN was equally evasive, expressing “regret” at the invasion, and calling for “urgent de-escalation of tensions”.
India currently relies on Russia for around 60%-70% of their arms and military hardware, which are crucial at a time when they are engaged in a frosty stand-off with China along their border. India recently purchased a missile defence system from Russia and relies on it for essential spare parts for defence machinery.
Putin made a visit to India as recently as December 2021, one of the only countries the Russian President has travelled to during the pandemic, a sign of the close ties between the two countries. India also relies on Russia for vital supplies of fertiliser, and the severe sanctions on Russia could severely impact Indian farming and industry.
On Friday, the Russian chargé d’affaires in Delhi, Roman Babushkin, said that they “expect our Indian partners to support Russia” at the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) when a resolution opposing the military Russian operation against Ukraine will come up for a vote. India is expected to abstain.
India’s relatively neutral position is likely to anger the US, another ally of the Indian government. In a call to the Indian foreign minister S Jaishankar on Thursday, US secretary of state Antony Blinken urged a “strong collective response”.
But the request was met with derision by a ministry of information spokesperson, Kanchan Gupta, who in a mocking tweet questioned why India should back the US position when they had taken “consistently anti-India positions at the UN...yet you want India’s help”.

The Ukrainian ambassador to India, Igor Polikha, pleaded with Modi to use his influence with Russia to restrain Putin’s actions, calling it a “moment of destiny”.
Talking to India media, Polikha said:
I don’t know how many world leaders Putin may listen to, but the stature of Modi makes me hopeful. We are waiting, asking, pleading for the assistance of India.​
Updated at 9.54am EST
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I disagree that Trump "has no more power than you or I." At the very least, Donald Trump is a serious contender for the 2024 Republican Party nomination, if he decides to run again. I hate to give Trump credit for anything, but it can't be credibly denied that he is still a significant presence on the American political landscape. His praise of Putin was outrageous. Why do that?
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I don't know how you can't separate "praise" and "observation"..I am not a Trump worshipper, and I wish he would go away, but I understand the arguments made against you on this.

Trump didn't say "Hey...this is great that Putin is overrunning the Ukraine and killing all these people, look how great he is"

In essence he observed, "If you're gonna do it, this was the smart way to do it"

I don't like Trump, but you're going overboard. Why don't you take issue with all the idiotic 💩 the actual current POTUS says?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Exactly. Trump took Putin's word over Pompeo's. Why did he do that? It doesn't make sense.
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He gave greater weight to the agencies' 4-year subversion campaign against him over Pompeo's judgment.

You get intel, FBI and DOJ trying to fry you during your candidacy and presidential term by smearing you with Russia, Russia, Russia, and then I tell you "Hey, Bowl, they're really telling the truth this time". You might trust me but not my judgment in this instance, but you should.
 
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Gandalf said:
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Hannah Ellis-Petersen - Guardian
While most global powers have been roundly damning of Vladimir Putin’s actions in Ukraine, India’s response has been somewhat muted – a reflection of the diplomatic dilemma that the country now finds itself in: torn between Russia and the west.
As the Guardian’s south east Asia correspondent Hannah Ellis-Petersen writes, hours after Putin’s invasion began, the Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi, was among the first to call the Russian president, calling for a “cessation” of violence, but steering clear of directly condemning his actions. India’s top diplomat at the UN was equally evasive, expressing “regret” at the invasion, and calling for “urgent de-escalation of tensions”.
India currently relies on Russia for around 60%-70% of their arms and military hardware, which are crucial at a time when they are engaged in a frosty stand-off with China along their border. India recently purchased a missile defence system from Russia and relies on it for essential spare parts for defence machinery.
Putin made a visit to India as recently as December 2021, one of the only countries the Russian President has travelled to during the pandemic, a sign of the close ties between the two countries. India also relies on Russia for vital supplies of fertiliser, and the severe sanctions on Russia could severely impact Indian farming and industry.
On Friday, the Russian chargé d’affaires in Delhi, Roman Babushkin, said that they “expect our Indian partners to support Russia” at the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) when a resolution opposing the military Russian operation against Ukraine will come up for a vote. India is expected to abstain.
India’s relatively neutral position is likely to anger the US, another ally of the Indian government. In a call to the Indian foreign minister S Jaishankar on Thursday, US secretary of state Antony Blinken urged a “strong collective response”.
But the request was met with derision by a ministry of information spokesperson, Kanchan Gupta, who in a mocking tweet questioned why India should back the US position when they had taken “consistently anti-India positions at the UN...yet you want India’s help”.

The Ukrainian ambassador to India, Igor Polikha, pleaded with Modi to use his influence with Russia to restrain Putin’s actions, calling it a “moment of destiny”.
Talking to India media, Polikha said:
I don’t know how many world leaders Putin may listen to, but the stature of Modi makes me hopeful. We are waiting, asking, pleading for the assistance of India.​
Updated at 9.54am EST
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Thanks for the details! We ought to be arming India we need their man power to leverage against the dog eaters
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I don't know how you can't separate "praise" and "observation"..I am not a Trump worshipper, and I wish he would go away, but I understand the arguments made against you on this.

Trump didn't say "Hey...this is great that Putin is overrunning the Ukraine and killing all these people, look how great he is"

In essence he observed, "If you're gonna do it, this was the smart way to do it"

I don't like Trump, but you're going overboard. Why don't you take issue with all the idiotic 💩 the actual current POTUS says?
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If you're gonna do it, twist the narratives to attack the wests weaknesses. It would only work with this admin. If he said the same thing with Trump, the reaction would be different. It would be strong, deliberate and aggressive. This admin was weak, bumbling and passive. Putin wouldn't have been able to risk it with Trump (not saying Trump would have a different result if Putin chose to do the same thing but I don't think it gets there).

Again though, it's not JUST this admin. Europe, made from the same passive cloth these days, is equally if not more to blame for their dumb decisions to tie their own hands behind their back for Russia. They're all idiots.
 
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