War in Ukraine

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Burhead said:
All those locations are strategic cities please don’t make this more than what it already is.
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According to the map, cities all over Ukraine that have these labs are being struck. Now I can’t verify if any labs were hit but these labs were called military installations.
 
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NCFisher said:
There's nothing to give up; I posted the transcript of Trump's remarks.

Explain, wiseguy, the conundrum of how Trump is simultaneously praising Putin while saying he'd have never done it during his term? Stand in the mirror and feel sorry for defending such nonsense, wittingly or not.
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lol......are you serious? Trump says "he'd have never done it during my term" and that's supposed to have relevance?
What are you, two?
 
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Govolsman98 said:
So do you think Putin is after more than just the Ukraine? Like the Baltic states, for example? That would actually spark a third world war
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Dont be a silly sky is falling type like the media. No benefit at all (TODAY) for Putin to go after the Baltic states. He knows no one (of any threat) is going to war over Ukraine. Baltic states, however, would likely mandate a full response from NATO and direct war with the USA. No win for anyone there. Besides, that would take another serious build up. Russia, as powerful as it is, does not have the ability to fight on two fronts against major enemies. Only the USA really has or had the ability to fight and sustain a two theater war.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
The chatter on reddit is Russian tank convoys will move from Belarus through Chernobyl to encircle Kyiv. Take with grain of salt, etc. But it does match with reporting last night of fighting on the Belarusian/Ukraine border.
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Yep - if you look at the map it allows coverage from the West without crossing a major river. Forces from W. Russia can come from the east and those going through Belarus can come from the North through Chernobyl to cover the western flank. Also the shortest distance.

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UTProf said:
However, Russia wants it to look. Poland is the only former state with the ability to defend itself. That said, Putin has tended to make acquisitions one state at a time. He will make Ukraine "Russian" after installing old loyalists and former despotic local leaders, suppressing local unrest and touting "Russian" natives, and the rest of us will scream before begrudgingly accepting it. A few years later or maybe months (Putin may hurry things along as he's getting older) he will invade a new target.
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That's not going to fly in the west of the country.
 
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I’m glad that you recognize that al-Qaeda is a threat, because a few months ago when you were asked what’s the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia, not al-Qaeda. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years
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AirVol said:
Shouldn’t Chernobyl still be radioactive?
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It is, but there are parts where you'll be ok if you don't hang out. Top Gear did an episode a few years ago where Jeremy, James, and Richard were trying to run out of gas in their cars before they hit Chernobyl and Jeremy ended up driving into it briefly. Drove by the reactor and around the abandoned apartments and famous ferris wheel IIRC.

 
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lawgator1 said:
Obviously, we all hope that this goes no further than it has, and reverses at some point soon. Putin really seems to have miscalculated here in that the Ukrainians are fighting back and he hopefully faces growing dissent within Russia. If the sanctions hurt the Russian people, in the end Putin may have done himself in.

Just hope that prospect does not cause him to go further than he has.
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Hopefully the Ukraine will be his Afghanistan(referencing the 80s Soviet invasion and occupation, which by all accounts was disastrous for the Soviet military).
However, I think the Ukrainian terrain hinders Afgan style resistance.
 
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NCFisher said:
Well, no; let's at least begin with an accurate premise. The intelligence doesn't show that Putin helped get Trump elected, or that $1.5M in social media posts had any effect at all or changed a single vote. Further, the IRA trolls also posted support for Stein and Bernie to damage Clinton until she became the nominee. Clinton became Putin's target because she attempted to delegitimize Putin's election and was most likely of major candidates to cause a war.

This is simply wrong; whatever the clumsy public diplomacy of his remarks, no president since Reagan has braced Russia as Trump did by his actions. The Kurdish PKK is classified as a terrorist group by the U.S and has been warring with Turkey since the mid-80s; the Kurdish PYD is aligned with them. With Turkey as a NATO ally, where did you think the stagnant policy re: the Kurds was going? It's time we ceased dangling some ethereal homeland promise to them so we use them in proxy wars. At least they can take practical stock of their situation.

You should have been skeptical of the Russia agent/collusion narrative from the outset. That CIA, FBI, and DOJ were not, shows incredible ineptitude and corruption. As Barr stated, they knew in Jan 2017 there was nothing there and should have terminated investigations, but instead doubled down with a 'find any crime' junket and try to leverage it. And as IG Horowitz testified despite the assurances of Dems and some RINOs that the dossier played virtually no role in the FISA warrants, Horowitz stated it played a central role. The FISC applications had been denied multiple times inside FBI before getting a greenlight on the basis of the dossier. So, Trump was absolutely right in his assertion he was being spied on and correct to not trust any of them.

Weakening NATO by haranguing them to increase their defense spending? Even now, with Russia - the reason for that harangue - invading Ukraine; you don't get it - really?! The bounty was and remains purely intel rumor, and non-actionable. Being impeached twice by the most radical House in history is a badge of honor, and is the reason the Senate was established as a check on House radicalism for impeachment and legislation.

You read like a purposely malinformed caricature. About the only thing you got right is that Putin is not afraid of Trump. Nor is he afraid of any American president.
But he's invaded twice while Biden was in the WH; he didn't do that in the interim, Trump period.
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I'm not sure what malinformed is? As for a caricature--I haven't posted here in a while--don't think it makes a difference it won't change anyone's mind-- but I remember you in particular, excusing and twisting everything Trump. To quote: "whatever the clumsy public diplomacy of his remarks" -- in other words, Trump doesn't know how to speak correctly but he's so brilliant, right? Just playing that 3D chess. So brilliant that a KGB guy like Putin didn't know that all you have to do is compliment him and he'd be humping his leg? Even ole senile Biden knew to compliment Trump on the vaccines, knowing he'd lick it up and perhaps his followers might listen to him. As for all that stuff you posted-- there is plenty out there that show that Trump was soft on Russia, no twists and turns getting your body out of joint trying to explain it. You also might want to read Julia Davis on twitter, who translates Russian state news. According to translation, Fox News Tucker and Trump are superstars for Putin propaganda. They even spoke of the 4 year reprieve they had with Trump. I'm just malinformed, though. Whatever.
 
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Just ducking in to see if we can all, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Independents, agree on three things:

1. Putin is a thug. A KGB agent at heart, stealing from his people and now invading a neighbor without provocation or cause.
2. We all hope, though doubt, that russia finds itself in another quagmire, ala AFG.
3. Our response is limited by the fact that Putin is arrogant and despotic enough to threaten nuclear war - he would likely start one if he felt personally threatened.

After that, I guess everyone settles back into their tribe, convinced that either Trump was Putin's lackey, or that Trump alone could have stopped this. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
 
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