War in Ukraine

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landscapingvol said:
Good Lord you don’t have any points to make and haven’t made a single coherent argument for the existence of NATO. That is the point of this entire discussion, now you are pivoting to Poland. But you are correct, the US shouldn’t send thousands of US soldiers to die in Ukraine because that is who would bear the burden not the useless other members of NATO.
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Fortunately for our NATO allies, Putin doesn’t think like you do.
 
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volbound1700 said:
There isn't a good option for us besides that. Do you think we are going to send ground troops? That would be a disaster for us. The area of Nuclear Warfare is an area (along with Naval Warfare) where we have a HUGE advantage over Russia.

Land Wars or even Air Wars in the area would not be helpful to us. Putin is not going to stop and China will soon join the game as well. We need to cut it out very early.

Threatening a Nuclear War would bring Russia and the rest of the World back to the negotiation table.
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Lulz.

We do not have a "huge" advantage over Russia in the nuclear realm.

The term is MAD for a reason. Especially the "mutual" part.

But say I play song with your insanity for the moment and ask what we could or should do when the Russians retaliate against Washington and Los Angeles? Continue trading city for city with them?
 
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Hold ur mud Wopr

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volbound1700 said:
I think Putin and Russia would take us very serious. I would escalate up the Nuclear defense and offensive capabilities and go to full mobilization in hopes that he comes to his senses and backs down.
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Our missile defense system has major flaws and doesn’t stop everything. That’s the fun fact our government doesn’t mention very often.

The reality is 1 launched nuke turns the entire first world populace into an atomic graveyard. Russia and US set each other back to the Stone Age within an hour and North America goes with it due to nuclear ash and water run off. Europe the same.

China is left alone to pretty much decide the worlds fate and the outcome is completely bleak.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Germany was not afraid of the French military. That simply is not true, they had little respect for it and fantasized over revenge. They did partially respect the British military
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That goes against any history I have read on the subject matter and I have read a lot. The German military was fully aware of how formidable the French army was in WW1 and no one, including the Heer high command expected the collapse of 1940.

They had plenty of respect for the British Army as well, let alone the Royal Navy.

Did you mean this as a joke?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
That goes against any history I have read on the subject matter and I have read a lot. The German military was fully aware of how formidable the French army was in WW1 and no one, including the Heer high command expected the collapse of 1940.

They had plenty of respect for the British Army as well, let alone the Royal Navy.

Did you mean this as a joke?
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Agreed. The Maginot Line was practically impenetrable and the French knew it, so did the Germans. The Ardennes was thought to be impenetrable to heavy equipment as well. The German plan was bold, but everything I’ve read indicated that a majority of their leadership had little-to-no faith in the execution of their trek through the Ardennes to flank French positions. The Germans were caught by a scout plane too, but the French intelligence ignored the report. Arrogance got the best of France.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I think Putin and Russia would take us very serious. I would escalate up the Nuclear defense and offensive capabilities and go to full mobilization in hopes that he comes to his senses and backs down.
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Thank the Lord you are not in charge of anything, of course it would end global warming what with the nuclear winters and all
 
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OHvol40 said:
Agreed. The Maginot Line was practically impenetrable and the French knew it, so did the Germans. The Ardennes was thought to be impenetrable to heavy equipment as well. The German plan was bold, but everything I’ve read indicated that a majority of their leadership had little-to-no faith in the execution of their trek through the Ardennes to flank French positions. The Germans were caught by a scout plane too, but the French intelligence ignored the report. Arrogance got the best of France.
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I also don't think they expected the Benelux countries to fold like a wet paper towel that quickly either.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Agreed. The Maginot Line was practically impenetrable and the French knew it, so did the Germans. The Ardennes was thought to be impenetrable to heavy equipment as well. The German plan was bold, but everything I’ve read indicated that a majority of their leadership had little-to-no faith in the execution of their trek through the Ardennes to flank French positions. The Germans were caught by a scout plane too, but the French intelligence ignored the report. Arrogance got the best of France.
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The Maginot Line was rendered useless by a handful of demolition troops. The French were operating under the ignorant assumption that had already been proven wrong which was mobile warfare
 
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volbound1700 said:
They need to start building up Heart of Iron 4 style. In the late 1930s, UK and France started to finally rearm after Germany had been doing it since 1933 but it was a little too late.
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France had 90+ divisions in 1936, over 2,000,000 men. The Germans had less than 400,000.
 
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landscapingvol said:
The Maginot Line was rendered useless by a handful of demolition troops. The French were operating under the ignorant assumption that had already been proven wrong which was mobile warfare
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The only assumption that was proven wrong was that they couldn’t be attacked from the Ardennes, though I agree that successful blitzkrieg rendered their defenses obsolete. The French were horribly out of position in hindsight.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
France had 90+ divisions in 1936, over 2,000,000 men. The Germans had less than 400,000.
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The French Army that you keep referencing was made up mostly of conscripted, poorly trained soldiers, raw infantry numbers were irrelevant. The German Army that you keep referencing was far better trained and equipped in 1936 but infinitely more superior by 1940. They weren’t in the same stratosphere as the German military, no one was in 1940
 
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