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MoCo_Vol said:
And still passers from the 80s onward are more talented. If you play the "what-if" game you can hypothetically change that...but using the only thing you have to go by. Results and numbers, it's objectively a true statement.

The debate topic isn't are passers of the 80s onward more talented...it's WHY. As you've pointed out passing concepts, physical training are part of it and as BigSteve points out the way games are officiated is also part of it. Then I also pointed out pass protection has changed a ton as well since those guys played.

But nothing you say will convince me that Archie Manning, 55.2% 23,911 passing yards 125 TDs and 173 INTs with 2197 rushing yards, and 73 fumbles for his career is even in the same ball park as Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Montana or hell even Warren Moon for that matter.

All these what ifs aren't changing results, and you can blame it on a wide variety of things but it doesn't change the results.
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Gotta disagree.

Sammy Baugh, Archie Manning, Fran Tarkington, and Bert Jones would flourish in today's game.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Come on now, McGill didn't say "no one was talented" why try to stir an argument over YOU changing what he said? I also don't think the 70s era QBs were as talented at throwing as the 80s era QBs and onward.


I think there were still plenty of talented players in the 70s and before though. Some of those WRs of the 60s and 70s with some of the QBs of the 80s, 90s, and 2000s would have had even more impressive careers. Lynn Swann with Big Ben able to hit him anywhere on the field? Drew Pearson with Dak tossing him the rock, or a guy like Gale Sayers in today's game? If anything I'd say the pass catchers specifically of the early era of football were hamstrung a bit by less talented throwing from QBs.
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Exactly...he is just trying to pick a fight. I was a huge Steelers fan as a kid and thought TB was great(which I agree with Butchy, he was fir his time)...until those 80s and 90s guys throwing freaking darts and missiles all over the place came along.
 
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peaygolf said:
Gotta disagree.

Sammy Baugh, Archie Manning, Fran Tarkington, and Bert Jones would flourish in today's game.
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That's the "what-if" game, and it's subjective. I can name quite a few that "in today's game" I think would show up and be good QBs but it's subjective.
 
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butchna said:
Then we’re not really disagreeing and I regret to inform you that means you don’t really agree with McGill. He said Bradshaw unilaterally sucked…because numbers. And that passers “from the 80’s onward were more talented”. That’s not picking a fight…that was his argument.
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I already agreed that I shouldn't have said he sucked...but I stand by what I said that passers from the 80s onward were better throwing the f'n ball beautifully. Mechanics and everything else got better.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Also if anything the QB you should point to to really have an honest discussion is Fran Tarkenton. The entirety of his career played before 1980, before Walsh coached his first game for the 49ers and that guy's name is still hanging in the top 15 for career passing yards and passing TDs. Once Bud Grant came to town him and Fran were changing the game before Walsh even showed up.
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Yep...forgot about him.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
That's the "what-if" game, and it's subjective. I can name quite a few that "in today's game" I think would show up and be good QBs but it's subjective.
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Playing devil's advocate here........so are you also saying that Jack Tatum, Lester Hayes, Mel Blount, Charlie Waters, or Ken Houston couldn't play defensive back today? They are also subjective? Lynn Swann, Drew Pearson, Lance Alworth, or Fred Biletnikoff couldn't play today and are overrated?
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Go watch replays of those guys throwing the ball...the mechanics are garbage.
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I could say...........put Mahomes, Brady, Manning, and whoever back in the '70's. Same coaching, same fitness, same off-season, and same rules they had back then, and lets see if they throw for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs?
 
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