Future of College Football

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"We're going to unionize football," a dour Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi predicted this week. "Take 20 guys [in recruiting] out of high school. Only 10 are any good. We're going to cut the other 10? If you want to start talking money, we're going to start cutting players. It's going to become a business."

Exactly - the big boys of P5 are about to get even more cutthroat than they have been about who is on the roster. It also means it will be much harder for "projects" to get any time at a big school or the best coaches but try to improve at one of the lesser ones and then move up through the portal after a year or two.

Even crazier though is if they have to pay salary to football players - that is going to cause major Title IX issues
 
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LWSVOL said:
Will not recognize it in 5 years.

With the NCAA backed into a corner, the age of paying college athletes is officially upon us

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The NCAA backed itself into the corner. It’s time for them to admit they can’t properly handle the load. College football deserves a better governing body. College football brass has the money to implement a governing body that can tackle and enforce fair rulings. The NCAA has let this portal thing go hog wild and the NIL is open for interpretation and the NCAA has really not laid out what is or isn’t allowed. We need a governing body that is transparent and acts much faster than what we have now. We need clear and simple rules and don’t need to be making rules that are impossible to truly monitor or enforce. College can still have rules and maintain it’s integrity but also not have so much red tape and act more swiftly and fairly to all concerned. Penalties should lie with the folks involved unless a university itself is promoting the conduct. Streamline and modernize the rules in clear language and have a committe ready to tackle the situation and render a decision in a reasonable amount if time. The NCAA as of today isn’t able to do that and has been too reluctant and stubborn to change. It’s nobody’s fault but the NCAA itself. Period!
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Sure, we'll recognize it. CFB will morph into MLB style farm teams system. NFL teams will divvy up CFB teams into affiliated franchise relationships. Unaffiliated, smaller school teams will become secondary sources for practice squad members.

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and fans wont show up for this stuff
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
The NCAA backed itself into the corner. It’s time for them to admit they can’t properly handle the load. College football deserves a better governing body. College football brass has the money to implement a governing body that can tackle and enforce fair rulings. The NCAA has let this portal thing go hog wild and the NIL is open for interpretation and the NCAA has really not laid out what is or isn’t allowed. We need a governing body that is transparent and acts much faster than what we have now. We need clear and simple rules and don’t need to be making rules that are impossible to truly monitor or enforce. College can still have rules and maintain it’s integrity but also not have so much red tape and act more swiftly and fairly to all concerned. Penalties should lie with the folks involved unless a university itself is promoting the conduct. Streamline and modernize the rules in clear language and have a committe ready to tackle the situation and render a decision in a reasonable amount if time. The NCAA as of today isn’t able to do that and has been too reluctant and stubborn to change. It’s nobody’s fault but the NCAA itself. Period!
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the NCAA can't control NIL. Its controlled by the state's that have passed legislation to enact it. Its different from state to state. The money is coming from entities outside of the schools so the NCAA or any college governing body has no say in how it works. All they can control is how involved schools are in it and based on Tennessee state law, schools in Tennessee cannot be involved. The law is different state to state. Your right is open for interpretation but there is nothing the NCAA (which is the school presidents), conferences or schools can do about it.

The governing needs improving, no doubt at all about that. I can't imagine the school presidents turning that governance over to any independent entity which means they may massage and change the NCAA we see and know, but it will still be similar to what its been. Assuming CF stays similar to what its been.
 
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Farm teams don’t work look at baseball, players are moving more to the college game every day. These universities in big college football aren’t going to lose their cash cow or their audience. College football is going nowhere, how it’s ran and by who is the question. Most players aren’t going to make millions just because the NIL is around, and the NIL isn’t going to be there for some G league game that doesn’t have the fans. The college football fan is loyal to their school the tailgates and the game day sec rivalries. Them fans aren’t going to accept anything else. College football isn’t going anywhere.
 
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508mikey said:
and fans wont show up for this stuff
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NEVER, EVER underestimate human gullibility or outright stupidity. Not ever. The Romans knew this when they instituted the Colosseum gladiator games. So did tribes like the Atzec and Olemic with the game of Ullamaizili. You will always get fans crazy enough to be taken advantaged of. Or are simply gluttons for some kind of violence related activity.

Trust the word of the one who knows.
 
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LWSVOL said:
the NCAA can't control NIL. Its controlled by the state's that have passed legislation to enact it. Its different from state to state. The money is coming from entities outside of the schools so the NCAA or any college governing body has no say in how it works. All they can control is how involved schools are in it and based on Tennessee state law, schools in Tennessee cannot be involved. The law is different state to state. Your right is open for interpretation but there is nothing the NCAA (which is the school presidents), conferences or schools can do about it.

The governing needs improving, no doubt at all about that. I can't imagine the school presidents turning that governance over to any independent entity which means they may massage and change the NCAA we see and know, but it will still be similar to what its been. Assuming CF stays similar to what its been.
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I am not saying they control the NIL, but they can control a university like A@M and publicly say whether boosters can or cannot be involved directly with players and do they constitute as being a employee. That’s what I was getting at. There needs to be clarity and if booster is considered a member of university A@M should be looked at because there were rumors that they were directly involved with last class. If a booster isn’t deemed a member then ours are free to do their thing. Everybody should be on level playing field and punishments should be handed out fairly no matter the institution. This is where the NCAA needs to be out front and in public early on clearly sending the message what is and isn’t allowed. Same with the portal, they should be able to step in if it is not working right and re-tool it. Too slow acting and not out in front of situations. The list goes on. No more excuses. We need a panel consisting of former AD’s,Presidents, Coaches and players. A panel of 20, and 5 from each category. They can be the new ncaa panel. I have waited for the NCAA to get it’s act together for years like many fans. We got a great game but poor leadership. I am afraid if the NCAA doesn’t get it’s act together one day the power 5 will form their own governing body and if it comes to that the NCAA governing body need only to look at themselves. GBO!
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Sure, we'll recognize it. CFB will morph into MLB style farm teams system. NFL teams will divvy up CFB teams into affiliated franchise relationships. Unaffiliated, smaller school teams will become secondary sources for practice squad members.

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How do you see that working functionally? Why would there still be student-athletes and how would that work in an NFL framework? Just seems this eliminates the need for college football programs. just setup a minor league system for high school players.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
I am not saying they control the NIL, but they can control a university like A@M and publicly say whether boosters can or cannot be involved directly with players and do they constitute as being a employee. That’s what I was getting at. There needs to be clarity and if booster is considered a member of university A@M should be looked at because there were rumors that they were directly involved with last class. This is where the NCAA needs to be out front and in public early on clearly sending the message what is and isn’t allowed. Same with the portal, they should be able to step in if it is not working right and re-tool it. Too slow acting and not out in front of situations. The list goes on. No more excuses.
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I think that means the legislation would need to rewritten. The states legislation is what has left everything open. NCAA has no control over the what the states have opened up. They cannot put things in place to "override" the law.
 
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Who cares? College football already kind of sucks. It’s getting worse by the year. This stuff will only exacerbate the problem. Paying players and getting unionized will only make things much worse. The NFL has sucked for years and I had hoped college football would remain. Sadly it’s starting to suck as well.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Who cares? College football already kind of sucks. It’s getting worse by the year. This stuff will only exacerbate the problem. Paying players and getting unionized will only make things much worse. The NFL has sucked for years and I had hoped college football would remain. Sadly it’s starting to suck as well.
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Then why are you here?
 
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The NCAA (aka University Presidents) were so greedy, that even when the profits for college football escalated they refused to share any of the gains with the players. The courts and politicians filled the void. We all know that is a recipe for disaster..... and here we are.
 
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The problem is, the NCAA doesn’t have an anti-trust exemption like the NFL and MLB. It is impossible for the NCAA to police NIL or create an arbitrary “salary cap” for amateur athletes or any student. I envision football at the collegiate level, maybe Power 5 only, to set up a league, with a commissioner and seek anti-trust exemption through legislation just as the NFL did. Smarter guys than me maybe able to situate this league within the Collegiate framework. JMHO
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Who cares? College football already kind of sucks. It’s getting worse by the year. This stuff will only exacerbate the problem. Paying players and getting unionized will only make things much worse. The NFL has sucked for years and I had hoped college football would remain. Sadly it’s starting to suck as well.
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I said a while back that the athletes would unionize down the road..........and got blitzed for it.

It is going to happen. Strikes, lockouts, etc..............
 
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LWSVOL said:
How do you see that working functionally? Why would there still be student-athletes and how would that work in an NFL framework? Just seems this eliminates the need for college football programs. just setup a minor league system for high school players.
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The H.S. concept would be too problematic in the scenario I envision. As for how they set it up, we just have to see what the power players work out. It's coming because they want it here. They always did. The players that got in trouble in the past for accepting sponsor money as far back as Jim Thorpe, the alternate leagues from USFL to arena football, even the NBA's getting eligibility to draft high schoolers, starting with the Reggies Harding fiasco, way before NBA rules allowed the change. Such a farm concept was always desired, though denied, but covert and overt actions say otherwise. Now, beyond that, I don't really care what they do because I have no power to stop it and objecting to it won't change anything. Besides, the consensus is that capitalism is the greatest profit system ever created, so might as well step back and watch another example unfold.
 
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LWSVOL said:
How do you see that working functionally? Why would there still be student-athletes and how would that work in an NFL framework? Just seems this eliminates the need for college football programs. just setup a minor league system for high school players.
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The H.S. concept would be too problematic in the scenario I envision. As for how they set a farm system up, we just have to $ee what the power people work out. It's coming because they want it here. They always did. The players that got in trouble in the past for accepting sponsor money as far back as Jim Thorpe shows that. So do the alternate leagues from USFL to arena football, even the NBA's getting eligibility to draft high schoolers, starting with the Reggies Harding fiasco, way before NBA rules allowed the change. Such a farm concept was always desired, though denied, but covert and overt actions say otherwise. Now, beyond that, I don't really care what they do because I have no power to stop it and objecting to it won't change anything. Besides, the consensus is that capitalism is the greatest profit system ever created, so might as well step back and watch another example unfold.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The H.S. concept would be too problematic in the scenario I envision. As for how they set it up, we just have to see what the power players work out. It's coming because they want it here. They always did. The players that got in trouble in the past for accepting sponsor money as far back as Jim Thorpe, the alternate leagues from USFL to arena football, even the NBA's getting eligibility to draft high schoolers, starting with the Reggies Harding fiasco, way before NBA rules allowed the change. Such a farm concept was always desired, though denied, but covert and overt actions say otherwise. Now, beyond that, I don't really care what they do because I have no power to stop it and objecting to it won't change anything. Besides, the consensus is that capitalism is the greatest profit system ever created, so might as well step back and watch another example unfold.
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Seems as long as state governments are weighing in, things could be different state to state. There would have to end up being some national consolidation of things for it to ever work from some entity. Not sue who would drive that.

Appreciate the conversation.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Will not recognize it in 5 years.

With the NCAA backed into a corner, the age of paying college athletes is officially upon us

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I think it's possible there will be Congressional action to disallow or at least put limitations on this movement. I say that for two reasons:

1. Title IX may come into play

2. There are far more state universities without the kind of backing the "rich" schools can help provide either directly or indirectly than the others. That would give the "no-haves" the advantage in passing legislation. And this won't be a political issue in the conventional sense. It would be the "haves"vs the "have nots"......and there a lot more of the latter.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
NEVER, EVER underestimate human gullibility or outright stupidity. Not ever. The Romans knew this when they instituted the Colosseum gladiator games. So did tribes like the Atzec and Olemic with the game of Ullamaizili. You will always get fans crazy enough to be taken advantaged of. Or are simply gluttons for some kind of violence related activity.

Trust the word of the one who knows.
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Here's a relevant quote I thought you might appreciate. “No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” - H.L. Mencken, Chicago Daily Tribune, Sept. 19, 1926.
 
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J C Higgins said:
I think it's possible there will be Congressional action to disallow or at least put limitations on this movement. I say that for two reasons:

1. Title IX may come into play

2. There are far more state universities without the kind of backing the "rich" schools can help provide either directly or indirectly than the others. That would give the "no-haves" the advantage in passing legislation. And this won't be a political issue in the conventional sense. It would be the "haves"vs the "have nots"......and there a lot more of the latter.
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Agree about Title IX. Just a matter of time until that lawsuit hits about unequal pay for athletes based on gender. 2 is also a valid point
 
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I've viewed the NCAA as nothing more than a farm system for the pros for a decade or more.

Between the rampant corruption, one sided ruling class set up by the NCAA, and the Vols being mostly irrelevant in football, it has been hard to muster enthusiasm like I used to have for the sport.

Of course I am exceptionally cynical and have been for a long time.

If I want a more "pure" collegiate experience, I take in the ETSU, CN, and Tusculum level sports events.
 
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