Banks on ND DC list

#51
#51
Berry4Heisman14 said:
Excellent they’d be doing us a favor. Now watch when he leaves, THEN everyone will start pointing at how awful we were defensively.
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Dude wake up. You can't make great tasting chicken salad out of chicken chit! Please tell me what elite talent we have on D. Also, tell me what DC you think could have a great defense with just 14 scholarship players. Did Banks steal a girlfriend from you? I will just sit and wait on your brilliant insight on the vast talent we have on defense.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Our defense played a lot of snaps because they suck and can't get off of the field on 3rd down....of course any defense that plays that many snaps are at the bottom half of defenses. That's like saying the teams that score the most points have the best offenses. If you don't think 75 of the 98 teams ranked ahead of us wouldn't trade defensive rosters with us in a heartbeat, you are clueless. Pumpers don't like the truth, but there it is.......We just don't have an SEC level DC.
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We play more snaps on defense because our offense averages the most snaps (and points) per minute of any NCAA team. The defense doesn’t play more snaps “because we suck”. We play more snaps because that’s the downside of having an efficient offense. These concepts aren’t hard, but they do require you to acknowledge the facts that everyone else accepts as a starting point. Gravity is real. Water is wet. Your manager wants you to sell more shoes. Efficient and fast offenses make the defense play more snaps. If that makes you want to fight the toaster, your problem is psychological, not logical. Back to the defense: They lack depth and talent. Banks and Heupel both said they prefer to be aggressive and gamble to create losses and turnovers as a way to create more possessions on O. They did that successfully with the line and MLB. They create tackles for loss on overcommitting to gaps and run blitzing. They can’t do it on passing downs because our DB’s are not quick enough or strong enough, our LB’s play coverage poorly (Banks improved here) and our line creates no qb pressure. We are forced to play zone prevent on long downs and disguise delayed blitzes or face giving up TD passes (as we did against Ole Miss). Unfortunately the price of playing prevents is well known by most fans who lived through Chavis. Even with talent, there will be conversions. Did our DC call some imperfect plays? Yes. Does he have room to grow? Yes. Is he the reason you bang your head on the toilet when we lose? No. We need SEC level talent, and enough depth to play the game he wants to play. Between now and then, stay away from electricity and fire.
 
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Not sure why he’d take it unless they offer him a boatload of money. It’s an easier schedule but Notre Dame isn’t exactly the school that it once was. Not saying Tennessee is either, but I feel like there’s more hope with Josh Huepel.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
If he does leave, we need to double Derek Mason's salary.
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No doubt Mason is a good defensive mind. However I have my doubts he could "step back" from being a head coach to coordinator and not cause just a little friction on a staff. Besides he would be gone (back to a head man) in maybe two years.
 
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rocketskates said:
Not sure why he’d take it unless they offer him a boatload of money. It’s an easier schedule but Notre Dame isn’t exactly the school that it once was. Not saying Tennessee is either, but I feel like there’s more hope with Josh Huepel.
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To me being a "coach" on the ND staff is like being elected US VP, once in office you are never heard from again. I know this may be because I don't follow anything AT All about ND football. Mute sound on TV or change channels when I have the chance to keep them out of mind and out of sight.
 
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savannahfan said:
No doubt Mason is a good defensive mind. However I have my doubts he could "step back" from being a head coach to coordinator and not cause just a little friction on a staff. Besides he would be gone (back to a head man) in maybe two years.
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He’s auburns defensive coordinator now
 
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savannahfan said:
No doubt Mason is a good defensive mind. However I have my doubts he could "step back" from being a head coach to coordinator and not cause just a little friction on a staff. Besides he would be gone (back to a head man) in maybe two years.
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Any DC who has success here probably won't be around long. Just the way it works.
 
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Lets see, uptempo offense leads to defense playing probably 3x as many snaps per game + depleted roster with many of the best players from a demoralizingly historically bad last year gone in the portal. The one key player we do have, A Taylor, decides he is going to get that money and doesnt want to risk it in a bowl game.

It's almost as if some people expect Banks and Martinez to be wizards, not coaches. Perhaps I should lend them my staff.
 
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Doc_Vol said:
It blows my mind that some think they can fairly judge a fist yr coach who has not had the chance to recruit and coach his players. Our LB group is week along with the secondary plus Willie M hurts. I thought his play calling was actually fairly good.
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I was thinking the same thing…. No one knows if he’s good yet. The fact that a top tier program is coming after him means more to me than some random poster on VN.
 
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Rylee_Vol18 said:
Martinez sucks. Period.
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This is absurd.

Midway through the season the majority here were singing his praises because, at that point, everyone was still aware of how depleted our roster was. It was easy to see that Banks and Martinez were getting more out of their players than anyone expected.....

Then we win a couple games people didn't expect us to win and everyone forgets that our roster is well below average... what happens then when we lose a winnable game? The pitch forks come out and people blame coaches.

It's a stupid cycle. Take a step back for a moment. Look at where we were this time last year and where we are today. This coaching staff, every single one of them, is doing a hell of a job.
 
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1982Alum said:
Blow up the whole D. Start over. Can't be worse. Get someone out there that wants to tackle rather than play two-hand touch and go out of bounds.

If Banks is wanted elsewhere; please let him go.
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It was worse in 2020 with better talent and more depth. If we willingly get rid of any of our coaches, it would be a huge mistake.
 
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I think most people in the business of coaching football realize what a great job Banks did with the hand he was dealt. The Purdue coaches talked about how they were glad they had 4 weeks to prepare for all of the looks the Tennessee defense would give them. If you don't have plus talent in your defensive backfield and you don't have depth any where else on the defense, you have to use a lot of smoke and mirrors. I would hate to see him leave.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Our defensive players aren't 99th in the nation. People can blame players, scheme, or whatever else, but when your defense is ranked 99th in the country, most of it is on the DC.
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How many of those 98 ahead of us faced 3 Heisman vote getters

How many of those 98 ahead of us played both teams in the NC game?

How many of those 98 played 4 teams with10 wins? 3 teams with 11 wins? 2 conference champs?


I agree with you in that l the talent level on our D isnt 99th in the nation. However being weak in just a couple of postions can make defensive stats incredibly abysmal.

If they can somehow get two future NFL DTs on the team and slighly upgrade at LB and the secondary, this same defense that ended up ranked 99th this year will almost certainly make leaps next year.


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How many of those 98 ahead if us were in their first year in a new scheme with a new staff.


This isnt to say the staff is perfect...however wanting to fire any of them at this point is silly amd reeks of either ignorance or agenda.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Our defensive players aren't 99th in the nation. People can blame players, scheme, or whatever else, but when your defense is ranked 99th in the country, most of it is on the DC.
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The exact opposite would be true, but go ahead living in fairy tale land
 
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VolBricks said:
Doesn't Banks deserve 2-3 years to get players in the system and coached the way he wants them?
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Are you kidding? Do you even VN? Here at TN, coaches get maybe 2 years MAX. Banks, a first time DC, inherits a defensive unit that maybe has what 3 SEC caliber players at best, is already being judged. Rodney Garner, a legend in college football, is already being judged by some. I have seen where some have said he needs to earn his paycheck and he isn’t that good because he didn’t pull in 2-3 5* on the DL. Martinez sucks because our DBs, who were just all world, played like crap.

This is one of the major problems that plagues some TN fans. Patience. They have zero. They think that every single coach who takes a new job, faces the exact same challenges. It’s ridiculous. So now because if one year, his first ever as a full time DC, Banks sucks. So the solution? Well we just need to keep hiring and firing to get the right one. That has worked out so well for us in the past that some dumb fans want to continue using that formula.
 
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#75
wmcovol said:
Derek Mason probably #1 but Banks is close behind. This should make some of the “fare somebody” crew happy.
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This would not be good. Our issues were not schematic and were related solely to depth and style on O. We need to recruit three levels deep for our defense to hold up. The # of snaps will be the same for these guys even 2 to 3 deep, but it is hard to paint that picture for recruits. Still, even if they were told they would get the same number of snaps, they would be coached well and will win, these kids want to be the #1.
 
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