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BigOrangeVols said:


Penny sucks. Barnes is going to beat them by 40.
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chargervol said:
Close pawn shops are ridiculous. Checked out pumps and guitars, both were priced same as new🙄



Thanks and yeah, sticking with pump. Grew up on break action, probably owned 5 or 6 over the years
About fell outta the damn chair when I saw current prices.
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TeacherVol007 said:
As an AD, there’s really no defending him. He was absolutely terrible with the Pruitt hire, almost letting Barnes walk, and keeping Holly longer than he should have (99% sure he was AD for her, but might be wrong here). Some men can coach, some can manage a company, some can do both—Fulmer is the first and definitely not the last two.
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Sure there is. On the hiring of Pruitt you act like we had choices and that Fulmer didn't walk into a search that had already hired one person and begun interviewing replacements after our very public protest of aforementioned first hire made national headlines and sent the AD into a tailspin. To say that options were limited would be the understatement of the year. Fulmer was hired to stop the bleeding which he immediately did by 1. recruiting and 2. becoming a symbol for fans to rally behind during a fragile time. The latter was his only real job the entire time. Folks forget that Fulmer's hiring as AD was meant to be temporary -- his job was to rally the troops and stabilize things which he did to a large degree. But he was never a normal AD nor was he hired to be. Fulmer was a public face and advocate for UT Sports but not the guy writing contracts and running day to day budgets (those go to vice-ADs and others anyway).

Regarding Barnes... Almost? Really, you're going with almost? Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. You can't possibly blame Fulmer for Barnes considering one the best jobs in his field when that job is ALSO offering a giant paycheck. Even so, gotta credit Fulmer with the win since Barnes stayed. Surely that mitigates an almost.

Regarding Holly... Not sure what the issue was here. Holly wasn't cutting it but she wasn't as awful as we portray either - Elite 8, Sweet 16, Elite 8, Elite 8, Second Rd, Second Rd, and 1st Rd. Not good enough for the LV program but until the last few seasons not quite enough to simply cut her either. At any rate, he inherited Holly during the 2017-18 season. He was hired in December of 2017 so there was no way she was getting fired during the disaster we had on our hands when he was hired. He fired her after the 2018-2019 season. That's called doing his job pretty damned well despite the fact that Holly was a friend.

The big criticism that sticks to Phil as AD imo is the fact that he didn't distance himself from Pruitt. He's not at fault for hiring him given the circumstances but he is at fault for wanting to give him another year. I think Fulmer's own treatment by the AD blinded him when it came to Pruitt. He didn't think Pruitt would be fired (and that **** was being signaled to him by the guys who pay the buyouts and pay the next contract until the very end when something changed and it had to be a bit more than the initial NCAA stuff because that was blown off at first) and he didn't want to give Pruitt a final year with an AD that was setting him up to fail.

I think you have to grade the job taking into account that Fulmer was an interim whose main job was simply to be him in public, raise money, and calm the immediate whirlwind that had been unleashed post-Schiano. That we couldn't get our ish together long enough to replace him before Pruitt needed to be fired is on us. Fulmer was never going to make the next hire anyway and everyone (including him) knew that but we drug our heels because we couldn't find a candidate everyone could agree on without starting yet another internal war until Danny White came along.
 
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UTProf said:
Sure there is. On the hiring of Pruitt you act like we had choices and that Fulmer didn't walk into a search that had already hired one person and begun interviewing replacements after our very public protest of aforementioned first hire made national headlines and sent the AD into a tailspin. To say that options were limited would be the understatement of the year. Fulmer was hired to stop the bleeding which he immediately did by 1. recruiting and 2. becoming a symbol for fans to rally behind during a fragile time. The latter was his only real job the entire time. Folks forget that Fulmer's hiring as AD was meant to be temporary -- his job was to rally the troops and stabilize things which he did to a large degree. But he was never a normal AD nor was he hired to be. Fulmer was a public face and advocate for UT Sports but not the guy writing contracts and running day to day budgets (those go to vice-ADs and others anyway).

Regarding Barnes... Almost? Really, you're going with almost? Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. You can't possibly blame Fulmer for Barnes considering one the best jobs in his field when that job is ALSO offering a giant paycheck. Even so, gotta credit Fulmer with the win since Barnes stayed. Surely that mitigates an almost.

Regarding Holly... Not sure what the issue was here. Holly wasn't cutting it but she wasn't as awful as we portray either - Elite 8, Sweet 16, Elite 8, Elite 8, Second Rd, Second Rd, and 1st Rd. Not good enough for the LV program but until the last few seasons not quite enough to simply cut her either. At any rate, he inherited Holly during the 2017-18 season. He was hired in December of 2017 so there was no way she was getting fired during the disaster we had on our hands when he was hired. He fired her after the 2018-2019 season. That's called doing his job pretty damned well despite the fact that Holly was a friend.

The big criticism that sticks to Phil as AD imo is the fact that he didn't distance himself from Pruitt. He's not at fault for hiring him given the circumstances but he is at fault for wanting to give him another year. I think Fulmer's own treatment by the AD blinded him when it came to Pruitt. He didn't think Pruitt would be fired (and that **** was being signaled to him by the guys who pay the buyouts and pay the next contract until the very end when something changed and it had to be a bit more than the initial NCAA stuff because that was blown off at first) and he didn't want to give Pruitt a final year with an AD that was setting him up to fail.

I think you have to grade the job taking into account that Fulmer was an interim whose main job was simply to be him in public, raise money, and calm the immediate whirlwind that had been unleashed post-Schiano. That we couldn't get our ish together long enough to replace him before Pruitt needed to be fired is on us. Fulmer was never going to make the next hire anyway and everyone (including him) knew that but we drug our heels because we couldn't find a candidate everyone could agree on without starting yet another internal war until Danny White came along.
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Aaaand that’s a wrap, folks. 💯 You stated this so better than I ever could. Thank you. 👍🏻
 
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Orangeburst said:
Not to mention...just arbitrary grading numbers.
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Not sure I follow. Arbitrary grading numbers? As in they are...random or meaningless? I'd say our ranking means something, because we have players evaluated highly by both services and other P5 coaches (and those 2 factors highly correlate), but maybe I'm misunderstanding.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
Not to mention we are currently already better on the field than Mizzou. I don’t think they made up a ton of ground. They’ll have to do it again next yr and I feel real good about how we do in the 23 class. And we will keep adding all the way through spring here going forward.
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Just talking recruiting - of course we're already better on the field than Mizzou - though we're also behind a number of the teams in that range.

Yes, we'll add more - but won't others too? Seems like a moot point. Just taking Mizzou, as an example, they only have 16 recruits. To be fair, they actually have more room for improvement. Not that I'd bank on it. But everyone has that opportunity, it's not a unique advantage for us.
 
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Devo182 said:
Just talking recruiting - of course we're already better on the field than Mizzou - though we're also behind a number of the teams in that range.

Yes, we'll add more - but won't others too? Seems like a moot point. Just taking Mizzou, as an example, they only have 16 recruits. To be fair, they actually have more room for improvement. Not that I'd bank on it. But everyone has that opportunity, it's not a unique advantage for us.
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Take away Burden and how scared are you of Mizzou’s class? Now name a team that went from trash to good because of one WR…
 
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Orange. said:
I'm not stating all my opinions on coaches and ADs at the moment.

But Fulmer, as a champion, will always be a symbol of the Vols. He looks great there with the guys. He belongs at that table on a ceremonial occasion. He represents all of the players who played for him. Anything else would be idiotic public relations, to say the least. The story would have overtaken the year and this signing class. And for nothing.

And DW looks great where he is. In the job.
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