NIL will kill the NFL

#76
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LSU-SIU said:
We don't know really know the extent Nike has dipped their toes in, but everyone knows what's going on down in Texas.

Either way, this is the new reality.

Personnally, I gave up on college sports years ago.
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And it still isn't remotely close to "NFL money." A few players will get a 7 figure deal. But these players were likely to get a similar deal prior to NIL deals being allowed. Again, pay for play isn't some new phenomena.
 
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ETCvol4life said:
That is what I have been saying for years. It would be nice for Collage ball to go back to the student athlete's who want and need a scholarship to get there education in place of just a spring board to the Pro's. It meant more when the players actually cared about the school they where playing for. And I know it is just my opinion and we all know what those are worth!
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As long as you want NCAAF to have the same media presence as NCAA baseball, go for it.

It's this strange place where your idea would kill both the NCAAF and the directional league that it was replacing. Talent would go to the NFDL, but let's be honest. Who here clamors to watch minor league baseball? It'd be the same, without the school ties to the team.

But then, all the talent will have been drained from the NCAAF, so the product would be diminished. Much less marketable, thus much less media coverage.

You would have just diluted both.
 
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The Original Fade said:
CEOs of large multimillion corporations are about to figure out that they can buy national championships for their Alma maters by simply paying NFL money to blue chip recruits, even more.

And if you’re that blue chip player making 10 mil + per season at XYZ university, why would you go to the NFL for probably less money and the risk of permanent injury when you can walk away from college with 40 mil in your pocket?

Thoughts?
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So you think 10M per year for a single college athlete will happen on planet earth?

Color me skeptical...
 
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The NFL will be a reality Check for these Kids. Simply Put they will look at a Kid and say You were overpaid in college and there are plenty others that will take less money. So not much of a change in future of the NFL. They have Salary Caps, the College ranks at the moment does not. In the NFL you have to prove you are as good as your pay.
Kids will loose there leverage as soon as they declare for the draft.....
 
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Carp said:
And it still isn't remotely close to "NFL money." A few players will get a 7 figure deal. But these players were likely to get a similar deal prior to NIL deals being allowed. Again, pay for play isn't some new phenomena.
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Oh no doubt there. Eventually though the players will be able to unionize and they will suck the TV revenue completely from the colleges until the margins are negative. It will be fluid and change, and change again... college sports is generally over.

Pro sports are fine until the tax payers decide they have had enough of the government handouts to billionaires, until that time... they'll survive.
 
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ETCvol4life said:
That is what I have been saying for years. It would be nice for Collage ball to go back to the student athlete's who want and need a scholarship to get there education in place of just a spring board to the Pro's. It meant more when the players actually cared about the school they where playing for. And I know it is just my opinion and we all know what those are worth!
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That would also mean going back to when college football and basketball weren't billion dollar industries that made colleges and coaches a lot of money. You seem to be blaming the athletes for the place it's in now.....they didn't start this.
 
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sunnyvol79 said:
. Cool well he should’ve chose another way to protest. A kid who came from a rich family yet he was really repressed and held down by the man! Yea if he hates this country he should leave.
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Perhaps he is the one who loves freedom of speech and you're the one who doesn't.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
As long as you want NCAAF to have the same media presence as NCAA baseball, go for it.

It's this strange place where your idea would kill both the NCAAF and the directional league that it was replacing. Talent would go to the NFDL, but let's be honest. Who here clamors to watch minor league baseball? It'd be the same, without the school ties to the team.

But then, all the talent will have been drained from the NCAAF, so the product would be diminished. Much less marketable, thus much less media coverage.

You would have just diluted both.
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Yup. The NBA G-league struggles with attendance much like minor league baseball. There have been several attempts at a "minor league" sort of football with Arena League, CFL, XFL, etc, and, while they may not have had the financial backing of the NFL, they all went belly up for essentially the same reasons.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Oh no doubt there. Eventually though the players will be able to unionize and they will suck the TV revenue completely from the colleges until the margins are negative. It will be fluid and change, and change again... college sports is generally over.

Pro sports are fine until the tax payers decide they have had enough of the government handouts to billionaires, until that time... they'll survive.
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That is very unlikely to happen regarding TV revenues.
 
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Carp said:
That is very unlikely to happen regarding TV revenues.
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Just like players being paid was unlikely 7-10 years ago when many of us were saying it was going to happen in the NCAA forum. ;)

College sports generally will become huge negative margin businesses, it will take time to get there. The model is broken and will only become more broken over time.

The schools/ncaa are so far behind the curve its hard to imagine how they can figure it out... they're still begging Congress for a national NIL law, which is basically meaningless after Alston.
 
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Carp said:
Yup. The NBA G-league struggles with attendance much like minor league baseball. There have been several attempts at a "minor league" sort of football with Arena League, CFL, XFL, etc, and, while they may not have had the financial backing of the NFL, they all went belly up for essentially the same reasons.
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The only one I'll defend is the second version of the XFL, that seemed to be doing it mostly right. They weren't trying to compete with the NFL, they acknowledged that the goal of most of their players were to impress an NFL team to get a chance. They had an excellent TV deal and the ratings were actually pretty decent as was most of the league attendance (Seattle and St. Louis especially). Covid killed that league, had that not happened it would have kept rolling IMO.
 
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Carp said:
Yup. The NBA G-league struggles with attendance much like minor league baseball. There have been several attempts at a "minor league" sort of football with Arena League, CFL, XFL, etc, and, while they may not have had the financial backing of the NFL, they all went belly up for essentially the same reasons.
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Those were "from scratch" leagues. Affiliating college, which has a huge following built in, with the NBA/NFL eliminates the "build your viewers" problem.

It's actually a win for both the NBA/NFL (lots of D league startup problems disappear) and college (the NCAA is a complete disaster) without competing or destroying what's been successful.

It's also a win for fans, if done correctly. Elite talent is distilled into several NFL farm teams fairly so more competion among the elite teams. College sports reorganizes with something better than the NCAA and real amateur student athletes.

It's the perfect time with NCAA being crap and NIL starting to get it done.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
As long as you want NCAAF to have the same media presence as NCAA baseball, go for it.

It's this strange place where your idea would kill both the NCAAF and the directional league that it was replacing. Talent would go to the NFDL, but let's be honest. Who here clamors to watch minor league baseball? It'd be the same, without the school ties to the team.

But then, all the talent will have been drained from the NCAAF, so the product would be diminished. Much less marketable, thus much less media coverage.

You would have just diluted both.
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All the talent wouldn't be drained from NCAAF, some yes but not even the majority. Look at baseball, more and more kids out of HS are bypassing huge signing bonuses to go to college.
 
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Carp said:
Yup. The NBA G-league struggles with attendance much like minor league baseball. There have been several attempts at a "minor league" sort of football with Arena League, CFL, XFL, etc, and, while they may not have had the financial backing of the NFL, they all went belly up for essentially the same reasons.
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The NFL actively worked to kill some of those upstarts and any farm system would have to have NFL financial support to survive. MLBB survives because MLB pays most of the salaries for the managers/coaches and players. The NFL doesn't have to carry the expense of a development league solely because of NCAAF.
 
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hog88 said:
The NFL actively worked to kill some of those upstarts and any farm system would have to have NFL financial support to survive. MLBB survives because MLB pays most of the salaries for the managers/coaches and players. The NFL doesn't have to carry the expense of a development league solely because of NCAAF.
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Elite colleges have built in revenue streams, TV deals, which make it less of a burden to the NBA/NFL to start.

What the college game needs is expertise in management because the NCAA sucks.

What the pro teams need is not to go broke supporting minor league basketball/football.

College sports has a revenue stream the startup minor leagues never did so it should be attractive to the pro leagues instead of a leech.

Pro sports brings experience in pro sports management to college which is why the NCAA is failing.
 
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hog88 said:
The NFL actively worked to kill some of those upstarts and any farm system would have to have NFL financial support to survive. MLBB survives because MLB pays most of the salaries for the managers/coaches and players. The NFL doesn't have to carry the expense of a development league solely because of NCAAF.
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Again, if you're comparing a potential NFL minor league to minor league baseball, or the G league, you're still losing. Most minor league teams are generally not profitable for most clubs. It's part of the reason why the MLB recently ended an entire level of the minors.

The G-league is probably better than the minors, currently, but the NBA does a better job of promoting it than the MLB does. And the NBA tend to has more popular stars that play in the G-league when they are rehabbing from injury. The MLB does a really poor job of promoting their top players these days. If you aren't baseball fan, there's a solid chance you've never heard of Mike Trout who is one of the best players to ever play baseball. And that's sad.
 
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#95
Let me get this right. Players will not go to the NFL because they make so much money in college? You are aware you can only stay in college so long? If anything it may keep a few borderline mid-round projection players from going as juniors so they can play 1 more season to up their draft stock. No way any 1st round projected player is staying in college an extra year just because they have an NIL deal with Bob's beef emporium. Even if some players made 10 million a year in college (which they won't) saying they would not go to the NFL to sign a 50 million dollar contract is insane.
 
#98
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Disagree to a point. CEOs of multibillion companies still have to answer to shareholders. If this were the case, Arkansas would be leading the nation in NIL $$$$ with the Waltons and Memphis would be doing a lot more NIL with FedEx.

If a deal makes sense, a company will do it but they won't do it just because the CEO went to ________
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Jerry Jones also has a couple of bucks and is a big time Razorback.
 
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stillavol said:
Jerry Jones also has a couple of bucks and is a big time Razorback.
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Jerry Jones doesn't run a publicly traded company. I would suspect the NFL would frown upon Jerry using the Cowboys as a NIL funnel.

The NIL booster $$$ will come from boosters of closely held companies that don't have to answer to outside shareholders, independent Board of Directors
 
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Carp said:
Again, if you're comparing a potential NFL minor league to minor league baseball, or the G league, you're still losing. Most minor league teams are generally not profitable for most clubs. It's part of the reason why the MLB recently ended an entire level of the minors.

The G-league is probably better than the minors, currently, but the NBA does a better job of promoting it than the MLB does. And the NBA tend to has more popular stars that play in the G-league when they are rehabbing from injury. The MLB does a really poor job of promoting their top players these days. If you aren't baseball fan, there's a solid chance you've never heard of Mike Trout who is one of the best players to ever play baseball. And that's sad.
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I think the NFL would have to look at a D-league as an investment like R&D and not a potential revenue stream and that's why it's a pipe dream.
 
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