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AthensVol2007 said:
But what is their overall health status? It’s not as simple as unvaccinated…good chance you die. If that’s the case we would’ve had a KNOWN case fatality rate far greater than 1.5% in 2020 prior to any vaccines. I’ve seen plenty of vaccinated people have cases more troublesome than unvaccinated people like myself; simply due to their health status Covid or not.
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unvaccinated/vaccinate is the most significant factor in terms of survival, like it or not.
 
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OHvol40 said:
unvaccinated/vaccinate is the most significant factor in terms of survival, like it or not.
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So in your opinion a vaccinated 70 year old with diabetes is more likely to survive than a healthy unvaccinated 20 year old? Obviously it’s two totally different situations, but that’s the point.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I am not so sure. Humans have an unquenchable thirst for Freedom. The polls (at least here in the us) show that maybe people are tiring of their statist overlords. Let’s see what the 2022 and 2024 elections say before giving up hope. But Inwill say this, the Republicans better come in from day 1 with a plan to “drain the swamp” and it can’t be timid or aim for working WITH the Democrats. Defund agencies, cut funding to work colleges and NPR/PBS. The bureaucracy, academia, and the entertainment industry have all been weaponized to Push work liberalism and to destroy individual Liberty. We will have a short window in which to undo that. I hope the Republicans are up to the task (I have my doubts though). The only hope is to STAY ON YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TAIL after Jan 2023. Call them frequently and tell them you will never vote for them again if they don’t go in completely on cleaning up the pig style that is DC. It is ultimately up to us.
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Until we scrap the current system there is no going back because most of the Republicans are part of the swamp.
 
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LouderVol said:
2019 deaths, 2.8 million Products - Data Briefs - Number 395 - December 2020
2020 deaths, 3.3 million Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020

That .5 million difference aligns pretty closely with the Covid death count.
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But when you step back and look at the bigger picture it appears our overall death rate has just been continuing the same path it was on prior to Covid.
U.S. Death Rate 1950-2021
And, the rate is lower than it was in the 70s, even with Covid. So are we really seeing that many more deaths than we would’ve seen anyway? I don’t think we are.
 
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mad4vols said:
Guarantee you it has nothing to do with ivermectin.
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Why do you continue to obsess over these so called vaccines even though the data suggests that they do not control the spread of the virus, they only help out short term with survival of the infected? With this information in hand an actual thinking person would know that you should take the vaccine if you have a high likely hood of dying from the virus or if you just want to take of your own free will. The vaccines will do nothing to stop the pandemic.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I can’t definitively say that any statistic that I had no direct knowledge of should be trusted. I can, however, confirm that 89% of the COVID+ hospital admissions for this year at my facility were unvaccinated, and experience bears that out. I don’t advocate for any mandates, but I will certainly advocate for common sense and common sense (in my experience) dictates that vaccination is a great idea for most.
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How are you defining “unvaccinated”? Does that mean a person with no shots, a person who was at least 2 weeks after their second shot (or 1 shot if they took the one shot version), someone who’s had the full first round plus a booster, or something else entirely?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
"While a surgical mask may be effective in blocking splashes and large-particle droplets, a face mask, by design, it does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. Surgical masks also do not provide complete protection from germs and other contaminants because of the loose fit between the surface of the mask and your face."

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Follow the science. Well the science is right there so why did Biden just extend the mask wearing in airports?
 
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BP4Prez said:
So in your opinion a vaccinated 70 year old with diabetes is more likely to survive than a healthy unvaccinated 20 year old? Obviously it’s two totally different situations, but that’s the point.
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I said vaccination status is THE MOST important factor, not the only factor… I think you’re confusing those two ideas.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
How are you defining “unvaccinated”? Does that mean a person with no shots, a person who was at least 2 weeks after their second shot (or 1 shot if they took the one shot version), someone who’s had the full first round plus a booster, or something else entirely?
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Somebody who has never been administered any type of COVID vaccine.
 
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mad4vols said:
Where are you getting your information?

Brazil registers 3,355 new cases of coronavirus and 53 new COVID-19 deaths -health ministry

Brazil registers 3,355 new cases of coronavirus and 53 new COVID-19 deaths -health ministry
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Saturday, 11 December 2021 22:34 GMT

SAO PAULO, Dec 11 (Reuters) - Brazil has registered 53 new COVID-19 deaths, the Health Ministry said on Saturday, bringing COVID-19 deaths in the country to a total of 616,744.

The country had 3,355 new cases of coronavirus over the last 24 hours, reaching a total of 22.19 million. (Reporting by Tatiana Bautzer Editing by Chris Reese)
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Brazil has a population of 215 million. What's your point?

It'd really help the quality of your posts if you'd do more than just post stats and throw numbers up against a wall. Try including a point or a commentary as well
 
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OHvol40 said:
Why does that matter?
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Because the only thing that matters is your level of risk to BEGIN with. I was NEVER dying from Covid vaccinated or unvaccinated because I’m not at risk, as a result of any underlying conditions; overwhelmingly obesity. If you’re obese and at risk of dying (as a direct result of the obesity), then yes, the vaccine can be the difference and can mitigate that risk. But if you weren’t obese or diabetic to begin with the vaccine makes no difference. What the tyrant vaxers can’t admit is the vaccine is not necessary for a large subset of the population and a one size fits all approach is not medically needed on an individual basis, nor will it do anything to influence the spread or viability of the virus.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
Because the only thing that matters is your level of risk to BEGIN with. I was NEVER dying from Covid vaccinated or unvaccinated because I’m not at risk, as a result of any underlying conditions; overwhelmingly obesity. If you’re obese and at risk of dying (as a direct result of the obesity), then yes, the vaccine can be the difference and can mitigate that risk. But if you weren’t obese or diabetic to begin with the vaccine makes no difference.
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No, that’s not the only thing that matters.
 
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OHvol40 said:
No, that’s not the only thing that matters.
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Yes it is. Diseases, sickness, bacterial infections, viruses etc. all affect weakened immune systems (due to myriad of reasons) on a much greater level than individuals deemed medically healthy. The statistics of a healthy person dying are zilch. A case here and there doesn’t a statistic make. As kiddiedoc “jokes” about, NOBODY in a position of power or influence has encouraged weight loss and exercise throughout this; not once! It’s right in front of us that the most cross cutting underlying condition in death and hospitalization is obesity and it’s not even debatable. The number is something along the lines of 70+% of those patients are clinically obese. Ask ourselves why are the non-obese people experiencing a totally different level of suffering? I had Covid and knew I had it; it wasn’t one of the “I had sniffles for a day” cases. However, it wasn’t that bad in the grand scheme of things and the last case of flu I had (ironically the first time in 20 years and after receiving a flu shot) was much worse than what I experienced with almighty frat row lineage of Covid.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
Yes it is. Diseases, sickness, bacterial infections, viruses etc. all affect weakened immune systems (due to myriad of reasons) on a much greater level than individuals deemed medically healthy. The statistics of a healthy person dying are zilch. A case here and there doesn’t a statistic make. As kiddiedoc “jokes” about NOBODY in a position of power or influence has encouraged weight loss and exercise throughout this; not once! It’s right in front of us that the most cross cutting underlying condition in death and hospitalization is obesity and it’s not even debatable. The number is something along the lines of 70+% of those patients are clinically obese. Ask ourselves why are the non-obese people experiencing a totally different level of suffering? I had Covid and knew I had it; it wasn’t one of the “I had sniffles for a day” cases. However, it wasn’t that bad in the grand scheme of things and the last case of flu I had (ironically the first time in 20 years and after receiving a flu shot) was much worse than what I experienced with almighty frat row lineage of Covid.
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In fact there is actually a movement to encourage body acceptance. Which means to say it is ok to be fat. Idiocracy.
 
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allvol123 said:
In fact there is actually a movement to encourage body acceptance. Which means to say it is ok to be fat. Idiocracy.
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A majority of these healthcare personnel are being disingenuous in my opinion; some of it likely out of fear of being ostracized, some simply falling prey to groupthink or some not willing to admit they were wrong and having to hold the line regardless. Our local Covid lead, at my wife’s hospital, admitted last year they made a mistake in shutting the elective stuff down, the shutdowns in the economy were too far, closing schools was the wrong decision and that it was time to go back to work and open things up. Fast forward to this Fall and he’s virtue signaling with his mask at the local school board meeting while advocating for masking kids. What changed?
 
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