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[DC_Vol]

No it’s not. The hang up is identity politics for most… because if you’re actually weighing relevant information (like a huge majority of the people still dying from COVID in the US are unvaccinated) then it would be a pretty clear choice… but hey, the choice is still yours to make though.

I’m going to ask you to process and not respond in a way that fits your preconceived notions.

If you logically think about what you have said about absolutes, think through risk profiles for COVID, effects of previous infection, and evaluate the data in case progression, then there are clearly competing factors to the decision to take the vaccine or not.

Most people I know who have chosen to wait (or not get it at all) fall into two categories:

1 - they already had COVID and are satisfied that they are best inoculated against a future encounter with the virus

2 - there is not enough known about the vaccine to make an informed decision. There is a lot that is not known about it…the easiest pointer to that is the booster regimen wasn’t know when the vaccine was first released. A thorough trial upfront would have answered that question before the first shot was administered to the public

People do their own risk analyses and their weighting of risks is not always going to match yours or mine. It’s easy - I’d even say lazy - to blame “politics” when someone’s decision differs from your own. But it’s not as black and white as you would like to make it. Most people make decisions that are in their own best interest, regardless of their professed political leanings. It’s why we can easily label so many people hypocrites.

It’s a shame that an issue like this has become so politicized. We have mostly politicians to thank for that. It doesn’t help that so many want the people to do one thing while they do another.

Regardless, the majority of people are going to act in what they believe to be their own best interest for them and their families. This is a complex issue with a lot of competing factors.

 

[whodeycin85]

The one thing I wish is that we had an actually accurate count of covid deaths, people actually dying from covid not merely dying WITH covid. If we were talking an actual EXCESS death count of 800,000 (that’s EIGHT Neyland sellouts people), it would be much more evident. We would be talking almost 1 in every 400 Americans dead. We would be talking apocalyptic death and destruction

They admitted early on. Its only 6% of report deaths are from covid alone..

 

[MAD]

They admitted early on. Its only 6% of report deaths are from covid alone..

Does a grandmother that has a comorbidity and dies from Covid who potentially would still be living make it more comforting for you?

 

[OHvol40]

I’m going to ask you to process and not respond in a way that fits your preconceived notions.

If you logically think about what you have said about absolutes, think through risk profiles for COVID, effects of previous infection, and evaluate the data in case progression, then there are clearly competing factors to the decision to take the vaccine or not.

Most people I know who have chosen to wait (or not get it at all) fall into two categories:

1 - they already had COVID and are satisfied that they are best inoculated against a future encounter with the virus

2 - there is not enough known about the vaccine to make an informed decision. There is a lot that is not known about it…the easiest pointer to that is the booster regimen wasn’t know when the vaccine was first released. A thorough trial upfront would have answered that question before the first shot was administered to the public

People do their own risk analyses and their weighting of risks is not always going to match yours or mine. It’s easy - I’d even say lazy - to blame “politics” when someone’s decision differs from your own. But it’s not as black and white as you would like to make it. Most people make decisions that are in their own best interest, regardless of their professed political leanings. It’s why we can easily label so many people hypocrites.

It’s a shame that an issue like this has become so politicized. We have mostly politicians to thank for that. It doesn’t help that so many want the people to do one thing while they do another.

Regardless, the majority of people are going to act in what they believe to be their own best interest for them and their families. This is a complex issue with a lot of competing factors.

I cannot really argue with anything you say. I am an extremely vigorous advocate for politics playing no part in public health policy.

 

[whodeycin85]

Does a grandmother that has a comorbidity and dies from Covid who potentially would still be living make it more comforting for you?

Depends on if that Comorbidity worsened from covid alone....do i believe a 90 year old in hospice with lung cancer that dies but test positive for covid is a covid death..nope.....thats not even going into the testing cycles and such that was being done just to get a positive test...
If i drown while swimming but test positive for weed is that a weed death....they even admitted if positive after death its a cpv2id death...ill find the presser if needed

 

[OHvol40]

Thanks for the real world example. I hear so much from both sides of which I am unsure. I definitely remember anecdotal stores like the man who died in a motorcycle accident in Florida that was listed as a covid death. I have since been very sceptical of the official totals. The problem is that I don’t really know who I would trust to give me a number that wasn’t either overinflated or undercounted to bolster one political side or the other. Objectivity was the first casualty of covid

I can’t definitively say that any statistic that I had no direct knowledge of should be trusted. I can, however, confirm that 89% of the COVID+ hospital admissions for this year at my facility were unvaccinated, and experience bears that out. I don’t advocate for any mandates, but I will certainly advocate for common sense and common sense (in my experience) dictates that vaccination is a great idea for most.

 

[LouderVol]

I know we all want to get back to normal but doesn’t this seam a little extreme?

This health department stops ‘all COVID-19 related work’ after Missouri AG threat

Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article256462541.html#storylink=cpy

Rural Missouri health department stops 'all' activity to fight COVID

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From that blurb the court ordered that they could enforce quarantines, and the AG was enforcing that.

Stopping all other works seems to be a determination of the local health department without outside force.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I can’t definitively say that any statistic that I had no direct knowledge of should be trusted. I can, however, confirm that 89% of the COVID+ hospital admissions for this year at my facility were unvaccinated, and experience bears that out. I don’t advocate for any mandates, but I will certainly advocate for common sense and common sense (in my experience) dictates that vaccination is a great idea for most.

Agree I got both my shots as soon as my age group was eligible and I will be getting my first booster before Christmas. At my age and with preexisting conditions I would be crazy not too. But that said, I defend people’s’ rights to NOT get it. It would be one thing if it actually prevented one from spreading the disease but it really looks like people who are vaccinated can spread the virus just as easily. So I see the vaccine as protecting myself more than others. I hope it does lessen the severity as it appears to if I ever get infected. But people trying to guilt others into getting the shot is disingenuous IMO. If someone foregos the vaccine then the only person they are putting at risk is themselves. Of course their family and love ones are at risk of losing a dearly loved family member if you skip the shot and end up dying. So in short, I see not getting the vaccine (assuming your doctor doesn’t say you shouldn’t get it due to some risk factor) as very unwise and selfish. But in our constitutional republic, we very wisely allow people to be selfish and foolish as that is part of what defines freedom. If you are not free to make bad choices, are you actually free?

 

[whodeycin85]

I can’t definitively say that any statistic that I had no direct knowledge of should be trusted. I can, however, confirm that 89% of the COVID+ hospital admissions for this year at my facility were unvaccinated, and experience bears that out. I don’t advocate for any mandates, but I will certainly advocate for common sense and common sense (in my experience) dictates that vaccination is a great idea for most.

Was there a surge in hospitalizations during H1N1??
Could hospitalization be because of the fear porn being pushed everyday??
For h1n1 a far more infectious disease 400k was the hospitalized number before they stopped counting about 1 year....900k is covid over 25 months...

 

[newyorkvol]

N95 Respirators, Surgical Masks, Face Masks, & Barrier Face Coverings

FDA website on masks updated 9/15/2021. Interesting.

 

[OHvol40]

Agree I got both my shots as soon as my age group was eligible and I will be getting my first booster before Christmas. At my age and with preexisting conditions I would be crazy not too. But that said, I defend people’s’ rights to NOT get it. It would be one thing if it actually prevented one from spreading the disease but it really looks like people who are vaccinated can spread the virus just as easily. So I see the vaccine as protecting myself more than others. I hope it does lessen the severity as it appears to if I ever get infected. But people trying to guilt others into getting the shot is disingenuous IMO. If someone foregos the vaccine then the only person they are putting at risk is themselves. Of course their family and love ones are at risk of losing a dearly loved family member if you skip the shot and end up dying. So in short, I see not getting the vaccine (assuming your doctor doesn’t say you shouldn’t get it due to some risk factor) as very unwise and selfish. But in our constitutional republic, we very wisely allow people to be selfish and foolish as that is part of what defines freedom. If you are not free to make bad choices, are you actually free?

I’ve seen a WHOLE LOT of unvaccinated people that profess that freedom die from COVID. So if that’s how you chose to go, then so be it… but I wouldn’t recommend it. It looks terrible.

 

[kiddiedoc]

N95 Respirators, Surgical Masks, Face Masks, & Barrier Face Coverings

FDA website on masks updated 9/15/2021. Interesting.

"While a surgical mask may be effective in blocking splashes and large-particle droplets, a face mask, by design, it does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. Surgical masks also do not provide complete protection from germs and other contaminants because of the loose fit between the surface of the mask and your face."

LOL

 

[MAD]

Depends on if that Comorbidity worsened from covid alone....do i believe a 90 year old in hospice with lung cancer that dies but test positive for covid is a covid death..nope.....thats not even going into the testing cycles and such that was being done just to get a positive test...
If i drown while swimming but test positive for weed is that a weed death....they even admitted if positive after death its a cpv2id death...ill find the presser if needed

You didN’t answer my question, you completely changed it to fit your narrative.

 

[volinbham]

Michigan nearly at all time high for daily deaths from Covid (7 day avg). It hit this level 2x before - first wave and last winter.

 

[whodeycin85]

You didN’t answer my question, you completely changed it to fit your narrative.

My first sentence answered...then i explained further....it depends if covid worsened the comorbidity....simple really

 

[DC_Vol]

Michigan nearly at all time high for daily deaths from Covid (7 day avg). It hit this level 2x before - first wave and last winter.

It’s almost like it’s seasonal

 

[newyorkvol]

"While a surgical mask may be effective in blocking splashes and large-particle droplets, a face mask, by design, it does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. Surgical masks also do not provide complete protection from germs and other contaminants because of the loose fit between the surface of the mask and your face."

LOL

And people wonder why people have questions….

 

[OrangeTsar]

I’ve seen a WHOLE LOT of unvaccinated people that profess that freedom die from COVID. So if that’s how you chose to go, then so be it… but I wouldn’t recommend it. It looks terrible.

Again, I am vaccinated. But I agree. But people choose to smoke, do illegal drugs, eat unhealthy foods, have unprotected sex, drive recklessly, and vote for Democrats. We allow them to do so even though it is foolish and self harmful. Not protecting yourself from a virus for which there is a shot that could greatly increase your survivability falls in the same category. Stupid choices often result in stupid consequences. It is sad and pathetic. But we don’t criminalize stupidity. (As a matter of fact, if you demonstrate a sufficient level of stupidity, we will elevate you to Congress)

 

[DC_Vol]

I’ve seen a WHOLE LOT of unvaccinated people that profess that freedom die from COVID. So if that’s how you chose to go, then so be it… but I wouldn’t recommend it. It looks terrible.

Is there a particular profile who are having a harder time with COVID than others?

And as a person in the healthcare space, why do you think we haven’t made more progress on the therapeutics side of fighting this thing?

 

[OHvol40]

Was there a surge in hospitalizations during H1N1??
Could hospitalization be because of the fear porn being pushed everyday??
For h1n1 a far more infectious disease 400k was the hospitalized number before they stopped counting about 1 year....900k is covid over 25 months...

Why are we comparing H1N1 to COVID-19? It’s a different virus with different transmissibility, different mode of transmission (generally), different morbidity and mortality rates, etc.. If you want to talk about the different strains of “swine flu” (H1N1, H3N2, H1N2, H4N6) and compare them against one another, and then subsequently compare them to SARS, MERS, and COVID-19… I’m all ears.

 

[whodeycin85]

Why are we comparing H1N1 to COVID-19? It’s a different virus with different transmissibility, different mode of transmission (generally), different morbidity and mortality rates, etc.. If you want to talk about the different strains of “swine flu” (H1N1, H3N2, H1N2, H4N6) and compare them against one another, and then subsequently compare them to SARS, MERS, and COVID-19… I’m all ears.

I speaking more to the panic then the viruses themselves....hospitalizations for a 12 month period are comparable...considering the difference in death totals....so fear is a drving force regardless of severity of virus

 

[OHvol40]

Is there a particular profile who are having a harder time with COVID than others?

And as a person in the healthcare space, why do you think we haven’t made more progress on the therapeutics side of fighting this thing?

Therapeutics don’t matter when you’re at the point of no return from COVID-19 complications. Most people don’t seek care until the point that therapeutics won’t touch the illness.

 

[OHvol40]

I speaking more to the panic then the viruses themselves....hospitalizations for a 12 month period are comparable...considering the difference in death totals....so fear is a drving force regardless of severity of virus

Well if you’re making a comparison, all of the details about that comparison matter. If the hospitalization rate is comparable, how does the mortality rate compare to hospitalization rates between the two?

 

[whodeycin85]

Well if you’re making a comparison, all of the details about that comparison matter. If the hospitalization rate is comparable, how does the mortality rate compare to hospitalization rates between the two?

12k h1n1 with the verbage "from h1n1" not with..big distinction if you believe the 6% number the 24k in 1 year of covid......also 7 month into H1N1 a vax came out....if you compare 2020 deaths and hospitalizations numbers are close

 

[DC_Vol]

Therapeutics don’t matter when you’re at the point of no return from COVID-19 complications. Most people don’t seek care until the point that therapeutics won’t touch the illness.

I was just asking the question in general, not asking why they weren’t being treated with therapeutics.