NIL Facts So Far

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Also, most people seem to have a distorted understanding of what can legally be done. My understanding is that a legal NIL deal cannot be conditioned upon a player committing to or remaining with a school and must be "market value". While "market value" is an admittedly ambiguous concept anyone familiar with the regulation of certain industries like health care knows that the ambiguity of the term has never stopped the regulators from prosecuting alleged violations of the concept.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Also, most people seem to have a distorted understanding of what can legally be done. My understanding is that a legal NIL deal cannot be conditioned upon a player committing to or remaining with a school and must be "market value". While "market value" is an admittedly ambiguous concept anyone familiar with the regulation of certain industries like health care knows that the ambiguity of the term has never stopped the regulators from prosecuting alleged violations of the concept.
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Cash leaves no tracks
 
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freedom fighter said:
Cash leaves no tracks
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Never has, point is that alot of the stuff that's always been clandestine must remain clandestine. Pilot can't do a million dollar NIL deal with Cade contingent on him coming back next year. That's still not above board. They can pay him an NIL deal but they are still taking the Eric Dickerson's trans am risk.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Never has, point is that alot of the stuff that's always been clandestine must remain clandestine. Pilot can't do a million dollar NIL deal with Cade contingent on him coming back next year. That's still not above board. They can pay him an NIL deal but they are still taking the Eric Dickerson's trans am risk.
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The easy solution is one year deals. Kid moves on, money moves to a different Vol kid. Nothing said about having to be a Vol, nothing in writing. Above board (I think). And I wish that they still made trans ams. :)
 
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Too many athletes and families thought this was going to take off. Market value for most players in any sport is not close to what they dreamed it would be. Take the scholarship, play until you graduate and walk out of school debt free. If you want to maximize the playing field turn all sports into free rides. Baseball, softball and other non-revenue sports don't get the same scholarship number as football and basketball but produce on the field on par or better than those revenue producing sports.
 
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This information doesn't change much in my opinion. The truly wealthy boosters, the ones with money to burn, will be happy to burn some of it on behalf of their teams. Call it the cost of doing business. Call it shrinkage. Call it whatever you want. A person with hundreds of millions of dollars who's invested in college sports isn't going to sweat 5,000 here or 10,000 there, so long as his team is keeping the real talent.

Those boosters are the ones who will unbalance the system in favor of certain programs. It's still going to happen.
 
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Majors said:
Too many athletes and families thought this was going to take off. Market value for most players in any sport is not close to what they dreamed it would be. Take the scholarship, play until you graduate and walk out of school debt free. If you want to maximize the playing field turn all sports into free rides. Baseball, softball and other non-revenue sports don't get the same scholarship number as football and basketball but produce on the field on par or better than those revenue producing sports.
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I don't have enough knowledge of the NIL rules and regs to comment on it MUCH, but I have wondered if the companies with concessions at college venues could offer all athletes a cut of a revenue over a base amount per game to incentivize 100k folks at Neyland to buy more cokes and dogs after an announcement of same on the jumbotron. Say 30% of revenue over that mark.
 
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I wonder if those stats include student athletes without NIL deals or just student athletes with deals.
 
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Okie said:
The easy solution is one year deals. Kid moves on, money moves to a different Vol kid. Nothing said about having to be a Vol, nothing in writing. Above board (I think). And I wish that they still made trans ams. :)
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NIL goes to the athlete not the school. Schools are just brokering deals. NIL follows the athlete
 
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Some states are talking about modifying or eliminating the income tax exemption for athletic scholarships if a athlete is receiving NIL over a certain amount. Point is NIL rolled out fast without a lot of thought and inclusion of all the parties in the discussion as to how it will work. NIL will likely change over the next couple of years. Popcorn time.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I don't have enough knowledge of the NIL rules and regs to comment on it MUCH, but I have wondered if the companies with concessions at college venues could offer all athletes a cut of a revenue over a base amount per game to incentivize 100k folks at Neyland to buy more cokes and dogs after an announcement of same on the jumbotron. Say 30% of revenue over that mark.
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It would be like anything else outside of beer sales. Raise prices up a percentage to cover and keep the flow the athletic department has set.
 
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Majors said:
It would be like anything else outside of beer sales. Raise prices up a percentage to cover and keep the flow the athletic department has set.
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NIL should be based on value of the athlete (name, image, likeness). This sounds like tax and spend.
 
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All this tells me is the door is still open for us.

We can be ā€œthatā€ team who offers big bucks (our local business and donors that is). UT can still make a huge jump if we capitalize on this.
 
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AdoptedVOL said:
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NIL should be based on value of the athlete (name, image, likeness). This sounds like tax and spend.
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Playing hypothetical scenario of 4 athletes at Tennessee at the same time.
Peyton, Monica, Candace and lets say Grant Williams. Do they all get paid with the same value? Best or at the top in their sport respectively so how do you determine value?
 
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Majors said:
Playing hypothetical scenario of 4 athletes at Tennessee at the same time.
Peyton, Monica, Candace and lets say Grant Williams. Do they all get paid with the same value? Best or at the top in their sport respectively so how do you determine value?
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They bring their own value. What the market will bring. Iā€™m a capitalist and not a commie or socialist.
 
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AdoptedVOL said:
They bring their own value. What the market will bring. Iā€™m a capitalist and not a commie or socialist.
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Me as well. Obvious hypothetical but this scenario will happen and create a problem of equality. Or how long before cheerleaders, dance team, mascots and band want in on profits?
 
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Majors said:
Me as well. Obvious hypothetical but this scenario will happen and create a problem of equality. Or how long before cheerleaders, dance team, mascots and band want in on profits?
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I donā€™t know who all is in scope of NIL. Iā€™m not an expert but my understanding of NIL is that it is an opportunity for athletes to earn off their name, image, likeness. If they are stars, they can make deals or market themselves. If they ride the bench, they can still market themselves. Who is going to earn the most? The stars or those with splinters in their butt? The incentive is for them to work hard and achieve starfom to improve their value.

NIL is not a pot of booster money to be handed out.

If you want to improve your service, product, brand create an environment of capitalism. Works ever time.
 
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Majors said:
Too many athletes and families thought this was going to take off. Market value for most players in any sport is not close to what they dreamed it would be. Take the scholarship, play until you graduate and walk out of school debt free. If you want to maximize the playing field turn all sports into free rides. Baseball, softball and other non-revenue sports don't get the same scholarship number as football and basketball but produce on the field on par or better than those revenue producing sports.
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The scholarship numbers are the result of Title IX. That's not gonna change and the powers that be are not gonna give away their cash reserves. The NIL is to help the kids who can move the needle---not the average athlete.
 
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