Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Chuckie]

Yep - takes his COVID, then RS season and still has 4 to play 4. T-Jackson is Heup's guy. Being third team HB knows he's not. JMO.

Heup said after the game that he really didn't want to put Milton in the game unless he had to. So HB's not just 3rd string, he's third string even when the coach really didn't want to put in the 2nd string guy.

As many have said, though, I don't think talent is the main issue, it's just that with our O-line this year, HB isn't nimble enough to avoid being annihilated back there.

 

[jakez4ut]

Heup said after the game that he really didn't want to put Milton in the game unless he had to. So HB's not just 3rd string, he's third string even when the coach really didn't want to put in the 2nd string guy.

As many have said, though, I don't think talent is the main issue, it's just that with our O-line this year, HB isn't nimble enough to avoid being annihilated back there.

yeah, i don't think it's a referendum on his overall ability. just the lack of one ability (mobility) overriding the rest.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Yeah my original post that you commented on. Sometimes it take time to get better. I trust Heupel to coach up a player that he deems to be worthy of a scholarship as a qb. Development can actually take time, like more than 3 months in a system dipstick. Give all the kids a full year in the system before casting them aside.

Ok then ..the guy has always sucked, he has never been very good, not even in HS..it ain't the system, it is his lack of ability to play Quarterback.

I would love to see him get better just as a validation of Heupel and staffs coaching ability, but it is not going to happen..imo..At best if he sticks around and works hard he might become a little better than average quarterback...imo, but I would love to be proven wrong.

So far the guy has not progressed, he has gotten even worse...and that is not an opinion.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You don't believe people can improve. Got it.

Correction...I don't believe Milton will any more than I believe Gaurantano will improve.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Heup said after the game that he really didn't want to put Milton in the game unless he had to. So HB's not just 3rd string, he's third string even when the coach really didn't want to put in the 2nd string guy.

As many have said, though, I don't think talent is the main issue, it's just that with our O-line this year, HB isn't nimble enough to avoid being annihilated back there.

Let's also keep in mind that this may not have anything to do with HB being physical unable to hang. If the goal is to RS him and not put him in a situation where he has to burn it this season then I'm sure that's what they want.

I'd say HB & staff before the season had already identified the 4 games he'd most likely play in, and unless it becomes a situation they MUST use him I'd be shocked if he plays in any more than those games. (he's appeared in 1 so far)

 

[SSVol]

Is this from a generalized summary from a Vol site which tries to spin it in a better light? I’m not saying that maybe some season tickets will decrease, but I bet most will increase. Everyone I know is not renewing because the cost drastically increased.

Almost 50% will decrease. Some are staying the same. West and East clubs are seeing a 10% and 12.5% increase respectively. The vast majority of the bad press is coming from the new club on the west side, and no, I don't think a majority are getting an increase.

I've been paying full price for many years.. I shed no tears for the grandfathered who are losing their gravy train.

 

[BigSteve09]

We can't beat USCe and UK?

I call bollocks.

Would be a big step toward going bowling, but we have many avenues to get there. Hopefully we don't have to take the 2019 route, but if that's what it takes to make it to 6-6 or even 7-5 then lettuce.

I didn't say we wouldn't win those other games

I think the UK game will be harder to win than this week's game, simply because of depth/health

 

[Revived2002]

Remember when Tony V had two straight years of a losing record in the SEC to begin his baseball coaching career?

Yeah, neither do I.

Glad we were patient with him. He’s got it rolling now. Go Vols!!

 

[pierce60]

I know this has probably been mentioned since Saturday night, but one of the things I liked seeing was a defense that didn’t bust so bad or lack the speed that they gave up HUGE chunk plays.

Seen too many Tennessee-Florida games with FL WR’s running wide open or a FL TE who out runs TN entire defense.

The defense at least made them “earn” it.

 

[UTK]

If they couldn't stop BC running the ball, they shouldn't be able to stop us. If they do, we are in trouble

 

[volbeast33]

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Remember when Tony V had two straight years of a losing record in the SEC to begin his baseball coaching career?

Yeah, neither do I.

Glad we were patient with him. He’s got it rolling now. Go Vols!!

Most of the people cheering them on didn’t know we had a team back then…. We have only been winners since they started following.

 

[UTK]

If Hooker can connect on his passes this offense will click. Hopefully Heup works his QB magic. If so, this offense could take off in a hurry

Hooker was connecting on passes against UF. Problem is the WRs dropped a lot of them. Hooker only had one bad overthrow. Which every QB has at times. So I'm all behind the Hooker train.

 

[SSVol]

Hooker was connecting on passes against UF. Problem is the WRs dropped a lot of them. Hooker only had one bad overthrow. Which every QB has at times. So I'm all behind the Hooker train.

Saw Aaron Rodgers toss a couple of stinkers down field last night and I'd say he's above average. Hooker wasn't perfect, but with more consistent WR play and better OL depth, he'd be enough to keep us in the game with UF.

 

[Vols4us]

Ok let Luck count name another QB that Harbough developed.

Ever hear of Josh Johnson? 22-2 at San Diego State under Harbaugh before going to the NFL. He signed Taysom Hill to Stanford before he went on mission and to BYU after Harbaugh left. Turned Alex Smith's career around with SF. He even got Kaep into a SB. He turned Rudock around as a grad transfer in his one season at Michigan.

It's a narrative that has developed on here. Granted he's not had as much good luck at recruiting the elites at Michigan. But he hasn't forgotten how to coach the position up.

 

[Vols4us]

addressed this in another post...and all i'm getting at here is that's what he wants to do. he's already shown, though, that he'll bag that and go with what the defense is giving him. i don't get the impression he's stubborn about it. but there is a method to how he wants to run the ball, and it's not to get 4 ypc on 1st down to open up the offense. it's to get 20 yards on 1st down, so he can run it down your throat later. he doesn't want the defense honest, he wants them guessing.

can he do that right now....? no. but that's where he wants to get to.

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. I have posted several times that it all depends on what his primary goal is for Year One. - system/process installation or finding ways to win now. Some may say it can be both and I disagree for the very same reasons you state. I think they are mutually exclusive because of the type talent he has on his roster at many key positions does not fit his system/process/schemes. Some will eventually, many will not ever. So it becomes all about recruiting his roster to do it his way. That will take time.

 

[Smokey X]

Almost 50% will decrease. Some are staying the same. West and East clubs are seeing a 10% and 12.5% increase respectively. The vast majority of the bad press is coming from the new club on the west side, and no, I don't think a majority are getting an increase.

I've been paying full price for many years.. I shed no tears for the grandfathered who are losing their gravy train.

ditto.....and mine decreased $500 per seat

 

[Devo182]

Heup said after the game that he really didn't want to put Milton in the game unless he had to. So HB's not just 3rd string, he's third string even when the coach really didn't want to put in the 2nd string guy.

As many have said, though, I don't think talent is the main issue, it's just that with our O-line this year, HB isn't nimble enough to avoid being annihilated back there.

I'm not sure HB is that much less nimble than Milton. He seems to have quicker feet than I remember him having. He's not Peyton. He just waits too long often and doesn't have a good mental clock yet. Still adjusting imo.

And Milton can break one once he gets going. But quickness is not what comes to mind when thinking of his running.

 

[Devo182]

I didn't say we wouldn't win those other games

I think the UK game will be harder to win than this week's game, simply because of depth/health

If Mizzou is a must-win to go bowling, what other scenario exists? Beat UK, USC, and USA, but lose to...Vandy? Helllll noo

 

[ChattaTNVol]

If they couldn't stop BC running the ball, they shouldn't be able to stop us. If they do, we are in trouble

They’re trying a new defense this year and obviously are having growing pains. They’re all frustrated now but generally unless they have a Sunseri as the DC they should improve as the season moves along. Their consternation right now is not knowing when things will start clicking for them on that side of the ball.

They have a decent offense (80.1% efficient) but their defense is the opposite in efficiency (28.2%). Our offense has improved from around 35% to almost 50% in efficiency since Hooker took over but it’s cumulative so Hooker has done considerably better than Milton. Our defense is around 60% efficient. Until proven otherwise I have to believe we should be able to run on them.

My concern is their offense and can we score enough points to keep up with them. I’m expecting they will score at least 34 points; obviously we need to score more. jmo.

 

[Devo182]

If they couldn't stop BC running the ball, they shouldn't be able to stop us. If they do, we are in trouble

All depends on Coop. We could hardly run vs Tennessee Tech the week before, then we managed a decent game vs UF with Coop. He's huge (twss).

 

[GoBigOrange86]

I have a random question. If you could change the outcome of one single game in the last ten years (2011-2020), which would you pick?

Here are my candidates:

Florida 2015 (we'd have won the East at least once in this miserable stretch and also won in the Swamp)
Alabama 2015 (to say we had at least one over Saban at Alabama)
Oklahoma 2015 (I think that could have been a springboard game)
Vanderbilt 2016 (Would've been the first Sugar Bowl since the 1990 season)

I think I have to go Florida 2015 to win the East, but I could argue any of these.

 

[Catbone]

Imagine winning vs Florida and Georgia then losing to Vanderbilt

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I have a random question. If you could change the outcome of one single game in the last ten years (2011-2020), which would you pick?

Here are my candidates:

Florida 2015 (we'd have won the East at least once in this miserable stretch and also won in the Swamp)
Alabama 2015 (to say we had at least one over Saban at Alabama)
Oklahoma 2015 (I think that could have been a springboard game)
Vanderbilt 2016 (Would've been the first Sugar Bowl since the 1990 season)

I think I have to go Florida 2015 to win the East, but I could argue any of these.

15 Florida. Making it to Atlanta seems impossible at this point. Wouldve been nice

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Imagine winning vs Florida and Georgia then losing to Vanderbilt

Don't have to. That loser is the only coach in Tennessee history to lose more than once to Vanderbilt IIRC. At least since Neyland.

 

[Devo182]

They’re trying a new defense this year and obviously are having growing pains. They’re all frustrated now but generally unless they have a Sunseri as the DC they should improve as the season moves along. Their consternation right now is not knowing when things will start clicking for them on that side of the ball.

They have a decent offense (80.1% efficient) but their defense is the opposite in efficiency (28.2%). Our offense has improved from around 35% to almost 50% in efficiency since Hooker took over but it’s cumulative so Hooker has done considerably better than Milton. Our defense is around 60% efficient. Until proven otherwise I have to believe we should be able to run on them.

My concern is their offense and can we score enough points to keep up with them. I’m expecting they will score at least 34 points; obviously we need to score more. jmo.

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Here's what I like in offensive comparisons:

VS Power 5:

Hooker
63.6%
9.3 YPA
167.17 QBR
4 TD 1 INT


Bazelak:
69.6%
6.5 YPA
135.50 QBR
5 TDs 3 INTs

Same rushing efficiency vs P5.

And our P5 opponents were much better than theirs.