Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Catbone]

I mean at this point you play HB over Milton….

Disaster lol

 

[Revived2002]

Got to watch a bit of the game. Biggest takeaways

1. Flowers and McCullough are not the answer on the back end of the secondary
2. Our defensive line is pretty stout.
3. The offense is stagnant and predictable.
4. Imo, the UT football team will never make it back to prominence and I think the university knows it.

If you believe #4 in your heart of hearts, then I don’t want to catch you on here complaining about Heupel and clamoring for Super Coach. If that’s true, then there’s nothing anyone can do.

I personally don’t believe it. I only believe it is going to take coaching stability to get there. The revolving door of coaches got us to where we are.

 

[bleedsUTorange]

Just some random early morning thought for perspective:

Yeah, we only scored 14 points against Fla and were really inept in the second half. But think about this- after hanging 21 on them in the 1st quarter, they held that Bama offensive attack to 10 points the rest of the game, while their offense went to work on the ground, running roughshod over bama. To think we could've hoped to score as much or more than they did against the gators was wishful thinking imo. Bama mustered 31 with a waaaaaay better roster. As the saying goes, Jimmies and Joes yada, yada.

I don't think much of Grantham, but never felt secure early and knew it was just a matter of time before Florida's defensive line started pushing us around and attacking. Over the history of our series with them, up front they have historically played above their means. Although it could've just been BVS ressponding to my positivity in the first half.

The fact of the matter is Dan Mullen as big of a dork as he is, is a hell of a football coach. And they have a track record of getting jumped on early, making ADJUSTMENTS, and settling down and playing how he makes them believe they can. Emory Jones is not a good quarterback. I think that opinion is somewhat universal. But Mullen gets him to perform above his ceiling, just like he did with Trask, and so on and so on. He's a confidence builder and calls the game as such. When they need tempo, he goes tempo. When they need to chew clock and sustain a drive, he can dink and dunk you to death. Everyone fawns over Lane Kiffin and his offensive prowess but I'd put Mehlen right up there with him, unfortunately.

Evans needs more touches if you ask me. I understand grinding it out isn't Heupel's style. Evans sure seems special to me, and we should utilize him more than what we have. I had higher expectations for our WR's, but at this point while showing flashes at times, that group have disappointed. Yes they are getting open, but the drops are a plenty, maybe as much as Milton overthrows ("did he really overthrow that shovel pass?!") .

I'm getting older and it's been a lot longer
anguish than some, but we just aren't the same program anymore. Sure we COULD find our way out of the wilderness and I pray we do before I die, but it's not a given. I still watch every game, I still read the boards sometimes when I'm bored, I still talk amongst friends and co-workers etc, but I'm just not investing the emotion into Tennessee football that I once for so long did. I think that applies to alot of people these days. Saturday's used to be all about the game and the whole day was built around that. Now, it's just a part of the day built around the family. Anywho, just some early morning perspective. Give Mizzou hell next week, GBO!

 

[Revived2002]

Final thoughts from Florida:

1. The team seems to play hard consistently for Heupel
2. We are incredibly thin at many key positions
3. Cooper Mays is the most critical player on the roster
4. This is Year 0
5. This is a 5 year rebuild
6. The Administration knows there is no Super Coach that can come in and save Tennessee and win all the football games starting in Year 1

 

[BruinVol]

Final thoughts from Florida:

1. The team seems to play hard consistently for Heupel
2. We are incredibly thin at many key positions
3. Cooper Mays is the most critical player on the roster
4. This is Year 0
5. This is a 5 year rebuild
6. The Administration knows there is no Super Coach that can come in and save Tennessee and win all the football games starting in Year 1

welcome to ground hog day post 5 with a brand new cast in 2021

 

[JCP201]

Ohio State LB K'Vaughan Pope storms off field, walks out of game vs. Akron in apparent frustration

Any coach who gets this person out of the Transfer portal is not playing with a full deck.

 

[BruinVol]

Final thoughts from Florida:

1. The team seems to play hard consistently for Heupel
2. We are incredibly thin at many key positions
3. Cooper Mays is the most critical player on the roster
4. This is Year 0
5. This is a 5 year rebuild
6. The Administration knows there is no Super Coach that can come in and save Tennessee and win all the football games starting in Year 1

all jokes aside this exact post was said many times about Pruitt. Fulmer was open about Jeremey needing 5 years and his first team played hard as hell for him

 

[Revived2002]

Just some random early morning thought for perspective:

Yeah, we only scored 14 points against Fla and were really inept in the second half. But think about this- after hanging 21 on them in the 1st quarter, they held that Bama offensive attack to 10 points the rest of the game, while their offense went to work on the ground, running roughshod over bama. To think we could've hoped to score as much or more than they did against the gators was wishful thinking imo. Bama mustered 31 with a waaaaaay better roster. As the saying goes, Jimmies and Joes yada, yada.

I don't think much of Grantham, but never felt secure early and knew it was just a matter of time before Florida's defensive line started pushing us around and attacking. Over the history of our series with them, up front they have historically played above their means. Although it could've just been BVS ressponding to my positivity in the first half.

The fact of the matter is Dan Mullen as big of a dork as he is, is a hell of a football coach. And they have a track record of getting jumped on early, making ADJUSTMENTS, and settling down and playing how he makes them believe they can. Emory Jones is not a good quarterback. I think that opinion is somewhat universal. But Mullen gets him to perform above his ceiling, just like he did with Trask, and so on and so on. He's a confidence builder and calls the game as such. When they need tempo, he goes tempo. When they need to chew clock and sustain a drive, he can dink and dunk you to death. Everyone fawns over Lane Kiffin and his offensive prowess but I'd put Mehlen right up there with him, unfortunately.

Evans needs more touches if you ask me. I understand grinding it out isn't Heupel's style. Evans sure seems special to me, and we should utilize him more than what we have. I had higher expectations for our WR's, but at this point while showing flashes at times, that group have disappointed. Yes they are getting open, but the drops are a plenty, maybe as much as Milton overthrows ("did he really overthrow that shovel pass?!") .

I'm getting older and it's been a lot longer
anguish than some, but we just aren't the same program anymore. Sure we COULD find our way out of the wilderness and I pray we do before I die, but it's not a given. I still watch every game, I still read the boards sometimes when I'm bored, I still talk amongst friends and co-workers etc, but I'm just not investing the emotion into Tennessee football that I once for so long did. I think that applies to alot of people these days. Saturday's used to be all about the game and the whole day was built around that. Now, it's just a part of the day built around the family. Anywho, just some early morning perspective. Give Mizzou hell next week, GBO!

Good post and I’m close to where you are in your final paragraph. I still think Tennessee can get “back” though. The best years of Tennessee football came when we had 30 years of coaching stability. If we can somehow create something close to that, I think we will like what we see on the field. I’m convinced even a halfway decent coach can win 65-70% of their games here, given time and stability. Part of our problem is that our rabid fanbase gets all our coaches on the hot seat really quickly and no one can ever build anything. I hope a lot of those folks quit watching like they keep saying they will…. It would help I think. Time will tell though

 

[volsagain]

all jokes aside this exact post was said many times about Pruitt. Fulmer was open about Jeremey needing 5 years and his first team played hard as hell for him

Got to hope it happens sometimes. These kids are playing hard there's just not enough of them. I see a lot of good calls and poor play drops and overthrows. Of course dumb penalties . Think there good coaching at most positions.

 

[BruinVol]

Got to hope it happens sometimes. These kids are playing hard there's just not enough of them. I see a lot of good calls and poor play drops and overthrows. Of course dumb penalties . Think there good coaching at most positions.

I agree with that but the worry is the disciplined part.

penalties, clock management, personale groupings. That punt return debacle last night was pathetic.

Those things all are signs of a ship that isn’t being tightly run

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Vols need players. The class being but together so far doesn’t have the talent to move forward. We may have the best game day coach in the country but it won’t mean squat if they can’t raise the talent level. Garner can’t do it all.

 

[99Vol]

Ohio State LB K'Vaughan Pope storms off field, walks out of game vs. Akron in apparent frustration

Any coach who gets this person out of the Transfer portal is not playing with a full deck.

Yeah, he and Dallas Gant, 2 4 stars both quit that game. Both transfer takes….

 

[volsagain]

I agree with that but the worry is the disciplined part.

penalties, clock management, personale groupings. That punt return debacle last night was pathetic.

Those things all are signs of a ship that isn’t being tightly run

I didn't mind the no TO to end the half , defense was confused and we make the throw could have been a TD . Yeah the penalties sucks Cade has way to many so does Banks , then you always have some random guy with a personal foul . These receivers have to do a better job work harder to get to the ball even if it's not really catchable could get PI and catch the ball when it hits your damn hands.

 

[BruinVol]

 

[tnhunter 10]

 

[headhunter15]

I’m ready to see what Heupel can do when he gets his guys in the offense for year 2-3. In my opinion, his offense can work, just need more consistency.

I’m also, for the most part, impressed with the defense. Hope Heupel can keep Garner, Martinez, and Banks. Tennessee needs the horses like Bama, UGA, and UF are blessed to have on the line and secondary.

 

[triadvolfan]

I’m ready to see what Heupel can do when he gets his guys in the offense for year 2-3. In my opinion, his offense can work, just need more consistency.

I’m also, for the most part, impressed with the defense. Hope Heupel can keep Garner, Martinez, and Banks. Tennessee needs the horses like Bama, UGA, and UF are blessed to have on the line and secondary.

It's hard not to like the offensive scheme. Guys are running wide open all over the field.

 

[BruinVol]

I’m ready to see what Heupel can do when he gets his guys in the offense for year 2-3. In my opinion, his offense can work, just need more consistency.

I’m also, for the most part, impressed with the defense. Hope Heupel can keep Garner, Martinez, and Banks. Tennessee needs the horses like Bama, UGA, and UF are blessed to have on the line and secondary.

The defense is playing well. It’s the amount of possessions they are having to defend that is causing them to “struggle”. TOP matters in the SEC. you don’t have to win that stat but you can’t expect your D to play 40min. That’s why JH is going to fail here

 

[franklinpence]

Got to watch a bit of the game. Biggest takeaways

1. Flowers and McCullough are not the answer on the back end of the secondary
2. Our defensive line is pretty stout.
3. The offense is stagnant and predictable.
4. Imo, the UT football team will never make it back to prominence and I think the university knows it.

But somehow defenses can’t figure it out. Receivers running wide open all day. It’s an execution issue - not scheme.

If you’re saying it’s predictable that QBs will miss receivers, and on the rare occasion that they hit the receivers, the receivers will drop the ball, then yes, I agree. That is very predictable.

 

[mrMet]

waking up with a massive hangover but feeling pretty decent on the rest of the year. We just have to quit shooting ourselves in the face

 

[peaygolf]

The defense is playing well. It’s the amount of possessions they are having to defend that is causing them to “struggle”. TOP matters in the SEC. you don’t have to win that stat but you can’t expect your D to play 40min. That’s why JH is going to fail here

No.

If he "fails" it will be due to a lack of talent. Not his system or coaching ability.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Woke up this morning. Still feel pretty good about last night.
6 wins are on the table
Also, I think I talked myself into grabbing some Ole Miss too as well

 

[volatil]

damn right I would have and I promise you Mullen wouldn’t have been singing his praises tonight after the game

He sure wouldn’t have been singing his praises because we would have fired him last year.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Yo Milton fans, I’m still waiting on my apology. I’ll keep posting this all day till y’all respond.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I agree with that but the worry is the disciplined part.

penalties, clock management, personale groupings. That punt return debacle last night was pathetic.

Those things all are signs of a ship that isn’t being tightly run

You see it. Four games of poor coaching on the margins.