CAN WE GET SOME HB?

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Fightmaker said:
I agree with everything you said here to a point. My opinion is that if there are only four or five more teams on our schedule that Milton or Hooker can beat, I think that Bailey can beat those same teams also. I really believe the other two have hit their ceiling, and Bailey has not. Build him for the future.
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Good post. From my end, I think Hooker hasn't hit his ceiling yet. He's going to get more comfortable out there (and get reps with the 1s) and I think he's going to start to look like Dobbs sometimes. He's got more room to grow, and I believe he will.
 
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volinthenorth said:
That's absolutely right. Bailey should sit, and will sit, behind Hooker and Milton all season. Bailey's supposed "ceiling" will take quite a while before it's reached. But the games are NOW. It's so strange how everybody keeps looking backward for deciding which QB should be playing. The coaches don't care one bit about Michigan or VT. And by the way, who exactly declared that Bailey has this incredible "ceiling"? Oh wait, I know: all the star gazers on VN who heard that the kid was a thing in Georgia HS football. Come on now. Enough living in the past.

The reality is, Milton had good upside for 2021 but seems to have failed the real-world test. Hooker flashed some Dobbs today. He's the starter moving forward. Bailey will only play mop-up this year unless both of the upperclassmen get injured. Those on VN with the giant Bailey man-crush are gonna have to get used to that. He'll be a good player, though. In 2022 or after; then in the pros. If he sticks with us for a few years, he could look like Pickett did today. But, my friend, not yet.
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So you yourself will admit that he is talented, but turn around and say he shouldn’t start. If your going to lose and the “Upperclassman” aren’t cutting it what is the harm in starting a younger guy to develop along the way. Everyone keeps saying this is “Zero Year”, so if it doesn’t matter to most fans develop your potential future QB. From what I’ve seen it doesn’t matter if we live in the past or not, Milton still can’t pass effectively and Hooker still doesn’t make good decisions with the pressure on. It’s not so much a crush on a Bailey, as much as it is putting a guy in to develop. It’s like teaching a shooting course, you’d prefer someone who hasn’t shot before over someone who has shot a lot because they are easier to teach Because they have less bad habits to correct.
 
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Dino0027 said:
Hooker forced the pass regardless of the lies you want to tell yourself. Judging by how Hooker outplayed Milton, who was picked by Heupel to start, shows that a mistake was made. You can lie to yourself and make excuses all you want, but the truth is Heupel went with Milton because he brought Milton in. I can’t fault him for playing “his” guy but it isn’t working out. Yes he does have experience judging QBs, so does every other coach out there, but they still get it wrong.
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Oh I agree with you about Milton. Evidently looks great in practice but collapses when the lights come on. On Hooker’s pass, we’ll just agree to disagree. Hooker was trying to make a play and force one in. (Like no QB has ever done that before.) The Pitt safety made a great play and I’ll give him credit for it.
 
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Dino0027 said:
So you yourself will admit that he is talented, but turn around and say he shouldn’t start. If your going to lose and the “Upperclassman” aren’t cutting it what is the harm in starting a younger guy to develop along the way. Everyone keeps saying this is “Zero Year”, so if it doesn’t matter to most fans develop your potential future QB. From what I’ve seen it doesn’t matter if we live in the past or not, Milton still can’t pass effectively and Hooker still doesn’t make good decisions with the pressure on. It’s not so much a crush on a Bailey, as much as it is putting a guy in to develop. It’s like teaching a shooting course, you’d prefer someone who hasn’t shot before over someone who has shot a lot because they are easier to teach Because they have less bad habits to correct.
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That's right. That is what I am saying. He's talented but shouldn't start this year. No way. Every team has young, talented guys that have to grow into the ability to start for a big-time football program. That's the case with Bailey. I believe he will get there, hopefully wearing Pantone 151. But 2021 isn't his year to do it, unless the injury bug bites us twice.
 
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Delmar said:
Oh I agree with you about Milton. Evidently looks great in practice but collapses when the lights come on. On Hooker’s pass, we’ll just agree to disagree. Hooker was trying to make a play and force one in. (Like no QB has ever done that before.) The Pitt safety made a great play and I’ll give him credit for it.
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Unfortunately Hooker has a history of those kinds decisions. I’ve watched a lot of VT football because my dad is a huge fan of theirs. I promise you I wish they were better because these conversations wouldn’t be happening and the offense would in a sense be better.
 
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Dino0027 said:
Hooker is a decent QB, but his play today should tell you that Milton was picked to start before the fall started. Unfortunately for Hooker he turned back into the QB from VT and forced a pass that cost UT the rest of the game. He played well for the most part, but he had never done well is high stress situations. Yes the play call was garbage, with no check down, but never force the pass. As far as Bailey starting, people would be more forgiving because of the youth. He hasn’t been in college for three plus years and struggling. If you are building a program, you play the guy with the highest ceiling and to me that Bailey. He isn’t going to get any better sitting in the beach while Heupels love fest for Milton continues.
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Why would people be forgiving of the best bench QB in years? He'd win every game he plays in.. At least that's what you'd think after all these start Bailey comments
If he goes in and stinks it up I guess I now know what excuse we're going to get
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Why would people be forgiving of the best bench QB in years? He'd win every game he plays in.. At least that's what you'd think after all these start Bailey comments
If he goes in and stinks it up I guess I now know what excuse we're going to get
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Not saying he’d win every game he starts but he isn’t going to get better playing behind other teams washed up QBs. He is young and showed with very little coaching help last year that he is capable. Believe it or not, not ever decision a coach makes is the right one. You seem like you probably slobber all over JG because Pruitt told you. There is nothing wrong with discussing what is holding this team back and that is QB play.
 
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Dino0027 said:
Not saying he’d win every game he starts but he isn’t going to get better playing behind other teams washed up QBs. He is young and showed with very little coaching help last year that he is capable. Believe it or not, not ever decision a coach makes is the right one. You seem like you probably slobber all over JG because Pruitt told you. There is nothing wrong with discussing what is holding this team back and that is QB play.
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Once Hooker was in, QB play wasn't holding us back. It was the bad O Line play. And lack of a pass rush as well. Four quarters of Hooker would have been plenty for us to win. He would have hit a couple of those long balls to the open receivers. And he would have scored on the play when Milton was caught from behind. It was those other two factors that were our big problem today. RBs had like 33 yards on 19 carries because there were no holes. And we had only two sacks and few pressures. Hooker wasn't the problem today. In fact, his legs kept us in it. Bailey ain't no magic man who would have come off the bench and moved this offense. Pipe dream, better to let it go.
 
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#135
ddubb76 said:
Ok. He did nothing last year. But I hear you guys give excuses to two that have more starting and practice experience than he has. But yet you guys want us to give them time and not judge them. Milton has been practicing four years in college and so has hooker. Bailey had a covid year, thrown to the wolves as a backup in an sec schedule coached by crap, behind a crap online and yet he gets no excuses. And the vols were his FIRST choice, not the team that grabbed him after failing at his first choice.
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You just have HB excuses.... of he was so good he would give no coach a reason not to play him... especially last year....CJH played him to appease fans amd try to save his job..HB wound have been sacked several more times and had a habit of fumbling.. hosting the ball to long... slow release and avg Arm..
He is accurate, but it does not seem to impress a coach that has developed how many NFL QBs and not to mention Heisman candidates and his own
 
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volinthenorth said:
Once Hooker was in, QB play wasn't holding us back. It was the bad O Line play. And lack of a pass rush as well. Four quarters of Hooker would have been plenty for us to win. He would have hit a couple of those long balls to the open receivers. And he would have scored on the play when Milton was caught from behind. It was those other two factors that were our big problem today. RBs had like 33 yards on 19 carries because there were no holes. And we had zero sacks and few pressures. Hooker wasn't the problem today. In fact, his legs kept us in it. Bailey ain't no magic man who would have come off the bench and moved this offense. Pipe dream, better to let it go.
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The run game isn’t going to get going when you can’t pass the ball effectively. Everyone will load the box and make you throw against them. The QBs had a total of three good runs today, one of which led to a first down in a much needed time. Milton had one good play and that was his run and then the offense self imploded. The defense had two sacks today and was gassed at the end of the game. Pass protection wasn’t terrible, but when your constantly behind the chains the defense is pinning their ears back and blitzing. You’re right though it is a probably a pipe dream that Bailey starts because before Heupel gives him a chance he will transfer and light it up for someone else.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
You just have HB excuses.... of he was so good he would give no coach a reason not to play him... especially last year....CJH played him to appease fans amd try to save his job..HB wound have been sacked several more times and had a habit of fumbling.. hosting the ball to long... slow release and avg Arm..
He is accurate, but it does not seem to impress a coach that has developed how many NFL QBs and not to mention Heisman candidates and his own
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Well his decision have obviously paid off so far at UT, so everyone should stop talking about it now.
 
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#140
BilboTN said:
I've always heard that the backup QB was the most popular person on campus. Apparently it's the 3rd string QB that didn't break the starter role in two years is suddenly going to lead us to the promised land. I don't know how you people don't get tired of repeating the same **** constantly.
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You can post the same stuff every year this way. I wont be surprised when someone forgets to CTRL+R and leaves Riley Ferguson’s name is some of these posts.
 
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#141
Dino0027 said:
Well his decision have obviously paid off so far at UT, so everyone should stop talking about it now.
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As did HBs ability to show how he earned his magical 5th star everyone raves about...A true 5 star talent doesn't leave the coach a choice... as to who starts or plays period
 
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#143
whodeycin85 said:
As did HBs ability to show how he earned his magical 5th star everyone raves about...A true 5 star talent doesn't leave the coach a choice... as to who starts or plays period
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So you’re saying that Heupel isn’t playing his guy instead of someone else’s. Honestly during the fall it seemed like he started limiting reps for Maurer and Bailey before you could actually get going. Maurer left because of it. Bailey was a 70% passer last year with a terrible offensive scheme and terrible play calling. All this is “possibles” for him, but I have seen enough of Milton and Hooker over the years to get a read of what they can and can’t do. Time to come to terms with both have ended up being exactly what their old fan bases have said they were. Hooker looked good and with more reps maybe improve, but doesn’t change the forcing bad plays when in big situations.
 
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Dino0027 said:
The run game isn’t going to get going when you can’t pass the ball effectively. Everyone will load the box and make you throw against them. The QBs had a total of three good runs today, one of which led to a first down in a much needed time. Milton had one good play and that was his run and then the offense self imploded. The defense had two sacks today and was gassed at the end of the game. Pass protection wasn’t terrible, but when your constantly behind the chains the defense is pinning their ears back and blitzing. You’re right though it is a probably a pipe dream that Bailey starts because before Heupel gives him a chance he will transfer and light it up for someone else.
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Dino, you seem like a good guy. BAILEY IS NOT A MAGICAL QB SAVIOR ON OUR BENCH. That's just a mythology generated by the high school recruiting/media industry. Then it gets whipped into a frenzy in echo chambers like Vol Nation. Harrison Bailey is a good athlete with pro football potential, and like so many other RS freshmen across this great land, he needs to grow into the status of what Pickett was today. He will do that, probably with our Vols. But right now, Hooker is ahead of Bailey by quite a bit. That's why he will play in 2021 and Bailey will mop up the meaningless minutes unless both QBs go down.
 
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BilboTN said:
I've always heard that the backup QB was the most popular person on campus. Apparently it's the 3rd string QB that didn't break the starter role in two years is suddenly going to lead us to the promised land. I don't know how you people don't get tired of repeating the same **** constantly.
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You can post the same stuff every year this way. I wont be surprised when someone forgets to CTRL+R and leaves Nate Peterman’s name in some of these posts.
 
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#148
xpsyclonex2002 said:
of all the decisions i trust this coach to make,
i trust picking the best QB the most.
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Really? Milton should’ve been pulled directly after the overthrow over the middle. He was absolutely horrible minus the one run. Not one ball was thrown well. That pass should’ve been the last straw.
 
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#149
Harrison just needs to be patient. Practice,practice. Use this Opportunity to get better. He’s not gonna be able to come in and save the season like many hope, but I’m not saying he isn’t the qb of future. He just needs to look at this opportunity as a blessing to better himself for when it is his time.
Hooker looked like he is the starter today.
Bad throw there at the end but I liked what I seen from him. Just plz no more Milton
 
#150
#150
VOLnVANDYland said:
And you’re already clamoring for a high school senior. So what’s the difference?
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Because I’m not being a fanboy saying he should start.

I’m not acting like Bailey or Jackson are the savior of the football team.

If Bailey transfers because he feels entitled to starting as a RS freshman QB, another will take his place.

Jackson will be a good one, and hopefully he has years to develop behind an able starter.

I simply don’t understand the absolute Bailey obsession some posters have.
 
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