Coronavirus (No politics)

As a person who has had the shot. I can't blame someone for not wanting to take something new and let's face it, hasn't had years of study. Also the shot doesn't stop you from getting Covid or passing it along, that's my issue with mandates. There has also been plenty of people who have had the shot and died. I know one personally that passed.
So in the grand scheme as far as letting his team down. He could have got the shot, tested positive and still had to sit out if Knox HD is being 10day strict I'm not sure how it's a let down to the team either way unless UT and other schools say they're not testing anyone for it.
 
Him being vaccinated or not vaccinated has nothing to do with letting the team down at all lol people need to stop this vaccine talk as it's becoming very hypocritical very quickly. Who knows he may have a medical reason as to why he shouldn't get the vaccine and he doesn't wanna talk about his medical problems. After all medical records are protected and it's up to him, not the team, to make the decision if he wants to get vaccinated or not.

This is flat out wrong. Joining a group means observing rules of the group, especially rules for protection of the others. Our university is not the wilds of Borneo. It is civilization. People who cannot act civilized do not belong.
 
This is flat out wrong. Joining a group means observing rules of the group, especially rules for protection of the others. Our university is not the wilds of Borneo. It is civilization. People who cannot act civilized do not belong.
This is flat out wrong. Taking or not taking the vaccine has nothing to do with "civilization". It is a VERY personal choice about one's own health that factors in a lot of considerations. One of those is bluntly whether those pushing the vaccines can be trusted after confidently declaring so many things that turned out to be untrue. We're approaching a year in to the vaccines that were going to let everything get back to normal... it ain't normal. The vaccines have been neither as effective or as long lasting as promised.

For all the false claims about the vaccines being thoroughly tested... they have not had TIME to be thoroughly vetted. Computer models are only as good as input. We simply do not know if there are longer term risks with these vaccines... but do know there are sometimes severe acute risks.

As for the bold, people who cannot respect the RIGHTS of others... do not belong.
 
This is flat out wrong. Taking or not taking the vaccine has nothing to do with "civilization". It is a VERY personal choice about one's own health that factors in a lot of considerations. One of those is bluntly whether those pushing the vaccines can be trusted after confidently declaring so many things that turned out to be untrue. We're approaching a year in to the vaccines that were going to let everything get back to normal... it ain't normal. The vaccines have been neither as effective or as long lasting as promised.

For all the false claims about the vaccines being thoroughly tested... they have not had TIME to be thoroughly vetted. Computer models are only as good as input. We simply do not know if there are longer term risks with these vaccines... but do know there are sometimes severe acute risks.

As for the bold, people who cannot respect the RIGHTS of others... do not belong.

The human mind is continually poised between approval and disapproval, with the latter often determined by factors which have no relevance to the actual issue. A person inclined toward distrust, disapproval, and defiance can seize upon unreal concerns for disapproving what is both right and necessary. Your post appears to be an example of that. Your believing the things in your above post does not make them true. They are not true. You have the right to think and speak, but no one has the right to spread highly infectious, deadly diseases. When your so-called principles and high opinion of yourself are getting a lot of people killed who do not have to suffer and die, it is past time to rethink what you are saying and doing.
 
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The human mind is continually poised between approval and disapproval, with the latter often determined by factors which have no relevance to the actual issue. A person inclined toward distrust, disapproval, and defiance can seize upon unreal concerns for disapproving what is both right and necessary. Your post appears to be an example of that. Your believing the things in your above post does not make them true. They are not true. You have the right to think and speak, but no one has the right to spread highly infectious, deadly diseases. When your so-called principles and high opinion of yourself are getting a lot of people killed who do not have to suffer and die, it is past time to rethink what you are saying and doing.

But see here's the issue with the vaccine and your comment. It doesn't stop a person from getting it or passing it on and that's a problem, him taking the shot wasn't going to stop him from passing it along. At best it may have lessen him symptoms but if he has Covid and stays in close contact with someone for a period of time then the odds are the people he was around are going to catch it also. I know quite a few people who have had the shot and caught Covid, me being one of them.
I'm fine with it being a person's choice. If it was proven that the shot actually stopped people from passing it on then yeah I'd probably be more of the everyone needs to get this thing but as it stands now it may be making people more asymptomatic at best or lessening their symptoms.
I'm in the it's a personal choice camp, especially since there is no long term study on it.
 
But see here's the issue with the vaccine and your comment. It doesn't stop a person from getting it or passing it on and that's a problem, him taking the shot wasn't going to stop him from passing it along. At best it may have lessen him symptoms but if he has Covid and stays in close contact with someone for a period of time then the odds are the people he was around are going to catch it also. I know quite a few people who have had the shot and caught Covid, me being one of them.
I'm fine with it being a person's choice. If it was proven that the shot actually stopped people from passing it on then yeah I'd probably be more of the everyone needs to get this thing but as it stands now it may be making people more asymptomatic at best or lessening their symptoms.
I'm in the it's a personal choice camp, especially since there is no long term study on it.

I get your point that vaccinated individuals exposed to Covid can spread it without being symptomatic. Some actually do become ill, although a much smaller percentage require hospital care. But your point about no long term study seems overly negative. Millions of dosages have been administered, with a tiny fraction of a percent having any significant side effects. The messenger RNA vaccines are in the body for only a very short time. mRNA degrades quickly, a few hours to a few days. According to studies I've read, a reaction to such vaccines appear soon after they are taken, not months or years later. It is just not accurate to say that vaccines of that type have not been thoroughly studied, because they have, for years. By now, millions of people have taken it, so the numbers for these unique vaccines are far larger than a phase three trial. Over worked hospital staff appreciate your vaccination, because you might have required much more of their care without it, and they are really having a hard time.

You will not like my saying this, but controlling Covid involves more than the vaccine. The big picture includes masks. You can say that masks do not prevent the disease from spreading, and there will always be some guy out there arguing that, but the docs wear masks for a reason in the OR. They are effective in preventing exhaled breath from getting out and spreading infections. Water vapor in the breath which carries pathogens gets trapped in the mask. That is a widely accepted medical fact.
 
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No longer term is multiple years with data. Look at how long it takes a drug to come to market and all the research that is in involved.
Yes there have been millions and millions that have taken the shot but it's always down there road when things normally show up and the "If you or a loved one has taken the X Covid shot you may be entitled to..." commercials and certain meds have been pulled off because of the dangers..

Again as a person that has taken the shot. I can't in my mind say hey you, go get the shot, it's stopping the spread. That doesn't seem to be happening but that's what's being pushed, shot = stopping the spread. Lessening your symptoms, chance of a hospital stay and trying to keep hospitals from being overcrowed would be closer to the truth IMO

As for mask. Most people don't wear them properly and always touching their face. China has wore mask for years and they got wrecked, probably more than they'll admit but with that being said I will concede that mask would probably help some if wore properly along with being the correct ones.
 
it's always down there road when things normally show up... as a person that has taken the shot. I can't in my mind say hey you, go get the shot, it's stopping the spread. That doesn't seem to be happening but that's what's being pushed, shot = stopping the spread. Lessening your symptoms, chance of a hospital stay and trying to keep hospitals from being overcrowed would be closer to the truth IMO

As for mask. Most people don't wear them properly and always touching their face. /QUOTE]

The studies I have read unequivically concluded that the idea of reactions to mRNA vaccines showing up "down the road" is simply inaccurate. mRNA vaccines have been studied for many years, and reactions to them do not show up "down the road." The mRNA in the vaccine is composed of the same molecules as the mRNA created from your own gene codes. They are not chemicals which linger in the body. The mRNA molecules do not stay together; they break down within hours or a few days at the longest. Then they are just the same harmless molecules of elements that you already have in your body throughout your entire life.

Vaccine plays an important role in the big picture. Yes, it seems to be a mistake to rely on vaccines for an all-stop. But a sensible person should realize that the mere prevention of hospitalizations is critically important. We are losing hospital staff to the disease from patients who would not be there if they were vaccinated. Sure, vaccinated individuals can be exposed to high viral loads, become infected, and spread the disease. But the infection is far less likely to spread during the fulll course of the disease.

As for problems with masks, there is no excuse for wearing masks under the nose or for not wearing them. We are talking about percentages; we are not talking about 100%. Masks very significantly reduce viral loads from escaping into the air around an infected person. Your comments are a case of perfect being an enemy of the good. The reality is that many people are too lazy to observe protocol for the protection of other people, because they just do not care. They can cite all of the excuses, but the reality is that they do not care.
 
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As high as Tennessee spread rates are I was a little surprised the Vol Walk wasnt more socially distanced for the team away from fans and masks,,,,,,
 
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Do any of you think if the politicians would have stayed out of it, to an extent, that some would be more open to the vaccine? I've seen many people citing that it is so "politicized" that they question it etc. Just a question, not trying to rile anyone up on either side of the debate.
 
The human mind is continually poised between approval and disapproval, with the latter often determined by factors which have no relevance to the actual issue. A person inclined toward distrust, disapproval, and defiance can seize upon unreal concerns for disapproving what is both right and necessary. Your post appears to be an example of that.
LOL... and some people are just gullible, uncritical followers.

I have posted LOTS of reasons to not just give blind trust like you are doing. Watch Fauci's testimony and responses to Rand Paul some time. He didn't answer with "science"... he answered with "how dare you question me".

The government is paying about $25/dose for these vaccines. About 200 million Americans have taken them... roughly $12.5 billion in revenue to pharmaceutical companies that own most of the people making the decisions and putting out the narrative.

If you have something specific I've said that you want to challenge then do. I'll post information from credible sources to back it up. Handwaving and condescending... "does not make" what you say "true".

Your believing the things in your above post does not make them true. They are not true.
No. The facts... make them true. The vaccines have harmed people. People have died from taking them. Have you really not seen that information? There is always a "weighing" of risks and the vaccines have a benefit of reducing severity, hospitalization, and death. But whether someone assumes the risk of taking it or not taking it is NOT YOUR BUSINESS. It is THEIR life and THEIR choice.

You have the right to think and speak, but no one has the right to spread highly infectious, deadly diseases.
That's ridiculous. It truly is. You have no "right" to spread the flu, right? Hundreds of millions have died from it. FWIW, the vaccine isn't stopping people from getting it or spreading it. Those who have chosen to refuse the vaccine have taken their OWN life in their OWN hands. Those who have taken it have NOT protected others and may be MORE of a danger since they are more likely to have mild symptoms that they do not recognize as an illness or risk to others.

FWIW, I had Covid in January. It wasn't that bad. I got pneumonia and that was rough but I recovered fully. A couple of weeks ago I had an antibody test done to help me make my decision concerning vaccines. I have antibodies. Research both in the US and other countries has shown that those who have natural immunity get reinfected at a very low rate. An Israeli study suggests less than 1%. In my own community, about 13% of confirmed new cases have been fully vaccinated. Less than 1% have been reinfections. Natural immunity is superior to immunity derived from vaccinations. So even if your virtue signaling had any merit or rational basis at all... I would still be a VERY, VERY low risk to get the virus and virtually no danger to anyone else.

When your so-called principles and high opinion of yourself are getting a lot of people killed who do not have to suffer and die, it is past time to rethink what you are saying and doing.
Good grief. We've gone from "Give me liberty or give me death" to "I'm scared of a virus that kills about .1% of those who contract it (and falling) so the rights of others must be surrendered?" That is truly pathetic.

I have a high opinion of MYSELF? Look in the mirror. I'm not the one engaging in this ridiculous virtue signaling and demanding that everyone do what I say. That would be YOU.
 
The human mind is continually poised between approval and disapproval, with the latter often determined by factors which have no relevance to the actual issue. A person inclined toward distrust, disapproval, and defiance can seize upon unreal concerns for disapproving what is both right and necessary. Your post appears to be an example of that.
LOL... and some people are just gullible, uncritical followers who are easily manipulated by fear narratives.

I have posted LOTS of reasons to not just give blind trust like you are doing. Watch Fauci's testimony and responses to Rand Paul some time. He didn't answer with "science"... he answered with "how dare you question me".

The government is paying about $25/dose for these vaccines. About 200 million Americans have taken them... roughly $12.5 billion in revenue to pharmaceutical companies that own most of the people making the decisions and putting out the narrative.... and now trying to FORCE people to take the vaccine.

If you have something specific I've said that you want to challenge then do. I'll post information from credible sources to back it up. Handwaving and condescending... "does not make" what you say "true".

Your believing the things in your above post does not make them true. They are not true.
No. The facts... make them true. The vaccines have harmed people. People have died from taking them. Have you really not seen that information? There is always a "weighing" of risks and the vaccines have a benefit of reducing severity, hospitalization, and death. But whether someone assumes the risk of taking it or not taking it is NOT YOUR BUSINESS. It is THEIR life and THEIR choice.

You have the right to think and speak, but no one has the right to spread highly infectious, deadly diseases.
That's ridiculous. It truly is. You have no "right" to spread the flu, right? Hundreds of millions have died from it. FWIW, the vaccine isn't stopping people from getting it or spreading it. Those who have chosen to refuse the vaccine have taken their OWN life in their OWN hands. Those who have taken it have NOT protected others and may be MORE of a danger since they are more likely to have mild symptoms that they do not recognize as an illness or risk to others.

FWIW, I had Covid in January. It wasn't that bad. I got pneumonia and that was rough but I recovered fully. A couple of weeks ago I had an antibody test done to help me make my decision concerning vaccines. I have antibodies. Research both in the US and other countries has shown that those who have natural immunity get reinfected at a very low rate. An Israeli study suggests less than 1%. In my own community, about 13% of confirmed new cases have been fully vaccinated. Less than 1% have been reinfections. Natural immunity is superior to immunity derived from vaccinations. So even if your virtue signaling had any merit or rational basis at all... I would still be a VERY, VERY low risk to get the virus and virtually no danger to anyone else.

When your so-called principles and high opinion of yourself are getting a lot of people killed who do not have to suffer and die, it is past time to rethink what you are saying and doing.
Good grief. We've gone from "Give me liberty or give me death" to "I'm scared of a virus that kills about .1% of those who contract it (and falling) so the rights of others must be surrendered?" That is truly pathetic.

I have a high opinion of MYSELF? Look in the mirror. I'm not the one engaging in this ridiculous virtue signaling and demanding that everyone do what I say. That would be YOU.
 
Why is it not 100% if these kids want to play football?

a lot of these young men were raised by their grandmothers/grandfathers, and they are very religious. I have two nephews like that. raised by their grandmother, had very promising sports schollys in front of them, were getting on recruiters lists and hitting all the camps. Then covid hit. their lives just got infinitely more difficult.
 
Do any of you think if the politicians would have stayed out of it, to an extent, that some would be more open to the vaccine? I've seen many people citing that it is so "politicized" that they question it etc. Just a question, not trying to rile anyone up on either side of the debate.
It’s a very valid question. The messaging on this got out of control early on.
 
if you are vaxd and exposed you don't wind up in icu. You isolate for about a week and move on. without vaccine you have no idea how long you are out, or how long it will stay with you, or how much damage it does. It's a crap shoot. I mean really, are we not done with this mess yet? has anyone grown a third arm yet?

I told y'all twice, vaxd folks don't care if you want to be reckless and irresponsible. one way or another there will be a whole lot less unvaxd. 💁🏻. Nobody feels sorry for you. I/We do feel very badly for the now 3 percent of young folks winding up in the icu who didnt have a choice. That's a crime imo. But, we live in America, and we have freedom of religion. Do what you want. I only feel for the kids.
 
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This is flat out wrong. Taking or not taking the vaccine has nothing to do with "civilization". It is a VERY personal choice about one's own health that factors in a lot of considerations. One of those is bluntly whether those pushing the vaccines can be trusted after confidently declaring so many things that turned out to be untrue. We're approaching a year in to the vaccines that were going to let everything get back to normal... it ain't normal. The vaccines have been neither as effective or as long lasting as promised.

For all the false claims about the vaccines being thoroughly tested... they have not had TIME to be thoroughly vetted. Computer models are only as good as input. We simply do not know if there are longer term risks with these vaccines... but do know there are sometimes severe acute risks.

As for the bold, people who cannot respect the RIGHTS of others... do not belong.

Not taking a side here but I think the vaccines have been vetted better than any previous vaccine. Normally they make trials using small or even large groups of test cases for long periods of time. With the COVID vaccines over 50% of the total population (and a good percentage of the world) has been used for testing over a shorter period of time. With the exception of long term effects, I think it's passed. Still, no one should be mandated to take it.
 
Hey guess what...vaccinated people get Covid ALL the time! It does not stop you from getting it, only reduces symptoms. We could be at 100% and Evans likely would STILL have gotten it and still be out. See Lane Kiffin.
Dont try making sense here, the Biden people will now call you names
 
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So apparently I had covid last week. Someone at work was ill. I felt like I had a sinus infection a couple of days later. So I went home and got tested (last Wednesday).The next day she came back with a negative test. I stayed home the rest of the week with a fever. My symptoms subsided on Saturday (in response to an antibiotic my doctor prescribed). I assumed I had a sinus infection and went back to work yesterday. Why wouldn't I? Today I finally get the test back an it's positive. My doctor said they would have released me to go back the same day went back because I was past symptoms for 72 hours. My kid had symptoms over the weekend, but is fine now. My wife has them now. What a mess.
 
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