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Watch the 2nd quarter of the BGSU game. Pitt is content to run a whole game like that, playing keepaway from our offense and controlling the game.
Based on what?

They've been top 20 in pace the last 2 years. They run ~77 plays/game. They hardly try to play ball control it would seem.

They also pass more than they run.

13th in the ACC last year converting 3rd downs.

Now...they do have a decent TOP (35-45th in the country) despite their offfense not trying to just hold the ball and not converting well. How so? Their defense has been top 3 on 3rd downs in the ACC the last few years. Their defense doesn't tend to allow the other team to keep the ball for long drives.
 
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First post since April 30th.

So I’ll add my $0.02.

First, as one should expect, there are all sorts of rationalizations about our offensive performance last night. It’s what we always do when our team seemingly underwhelms. It’s our way of dealing with our decent back to earth.

On the final scoreboard show, Eric Ainge and Troy Fleming were asked to grade the three phases of our game, offense, defense, and special teams. Both gave the defense and special teams a B. Eric gave the offense a C and Troy gave the offense a D. You could tell both were trying to be positive.

While our running game got some credit, it wasn’t lost on many that we were running against a defense that ranked dead last in the nation for rushing defense last year. Still Pat Ryan named Small and Evans as co-players of the game.

Michigan fans on reddit were telling us “I told you so”, and not in a mean way.

It’s a win.

Historically, Heupel’s offenses have run up the score on cupcakes and struggled against better teams but because it feasted on also-rans it would finish the year with a high ranking. In a brief glance at the pick the score contest thread, 96% of our fans apparently were expecting a typical Heupel offense. That, I think, explains both the disappointment in some and the rationalizations in others.

If Harrison Bailey wants to start he may need to come out as Transgender. jmo.

I'll go back to the shadows now. #GBO

First post in a few months and you don’t even break out any stats, charts or graphs? Color me disappointed, Chat.
 
If he did the things the other guy did he would have turnovers on the stat sheet. Milton didn't throw right at linebackers. Milton moved around in the pocket. Yes he missed some throws but he's 10x better than the other guy
He stood stock still in the pocket several times, more like a statue than any QB I've ever watched.

And he did have a fumble.

JG had plenty of games against bad teams without turning it over. You don't look for turnovers against bad teams, you look for behaviors that will result in turnovers against good teams. I'm not writing him off, but I am concerned that against a top 100 team his performance we saw last night won't be enough to win.
 
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That is less than a 50-50 ball vs every other team on our schedule that isn't Tenn Tech.
50-50 what though? I hate that term, it seems to imply the other 50% goes to the defender...except those rarely end up INTs.

It was 50% going to be a touchdown and ~50% an incompletion. I mean, the defender has his back to the QB, which is why Milton threw it to begin with. How does one INT the ball with their back?
 
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What's Milton going to do when he's facing an SEC pass rush? If he stands completely flat footed like he did he's going to get hurt
 
By the fact that when there was any type of contact/chance of contact he was on his way down, the only runs that he ran aggressively were the couple near the goal line, the rest were as timid as a bunny rabbit
Again, he never slid once, so he clearly wasn't timid. I thought he was nowhere near timid enough. He was running into people way too much. He's an athlete, of course he's going to try to juke when he thinks he can. That's probably worked for most of his life. Unless it's third down or goal line, he needs to be sliding. He took way, way too much contact.
 
My biggest concern right now, is that our staff went with Milton because of the tools, not necessarily because he is the best QB.

If that is the case, and he struggles next week, I hope that Heup will pull him and give HB a shot.
VQ guys scoffed at the idea of pulling him, but you gotta pull him next week if it starts going the same way.

Give Hooker a shot. Run game will be more effective with him and I'm confident he can manage the passing game well enough to move the ball.
 
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Reading through everyone's thoughts and points---

I think as crazy as it sounds, Hooker may be our best option overall from experience and elusiveness going into next week unless Milton takes some huge steps forward this week watching tape and understanding the pocket and going over reads...

Sorry, but NOT impressed with our WR's.... Calloway and Key need to return and others need to F'n step up...
 
My biggest concern right now, is that our staff went with Milton because of the tools, not necessarily because he is the best QB.

If that is the case, and he struggles next week, I hope that Heup will pull him and give HB a shot.
Exactly, however, HH will go in before HB.
 
VQ guys scoffed at the idea of pulling him, but you gotta pull him next week if it starts going the same way.

Give Hooker a shot. Run game will be more effective with him and I'm confident he can manage the passing game well enough to move the ball.
Run game would be good with Hooker, but he is not going to improve the passing game. We need someone who can throw the ball down the field. HB did that in the spring game. I know that doesn't mean much, but he showed pin point accuracy on those deep balls. Milton didn't do that last night.

If that's what HB can do, then it's him I'd like to see
 
Reading through everyone's thoughts and points---

I think as crazy as it sounds, Hooker may be our best option overall from experience and elusiveness going into next week unless Milton takes some huge steps forward this week watching tape and understanding the pocket and going over reads...

Sorry, but NOT impressed with our WR's.... Calloway and Key need to return and others need to F'n step up...
Basilio was correct regarding WR
 
Run game would be good with Hooker, but he is not going to improve the passing game. We need someone who can throw the ball down the field. HB did that in the spring game. I know that doesn't mean much, but he showed pin point accuracy on those deep balls. Milton didn't do that last night.

If that's what HB can do, then it's him I'd like to see
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My biggest concern right now, is that our staff went with Milton because of the tools, not necessarily because he is the best QB.

If that is the case, and he struggles next week, I hope that Heup will pull him and give HB a shot.
To me it seems like Milton was just trying to do way too much.

We’ve seen his practice throws. We know he can drop it in from outer space…. We just didn’t see any of that last night.

I think he may just need to get some games under his feet and he needs to make reads faster.

If he throws to the open receivers his stats are going to be insane. We had guys open all night.
 
My biggest concern right now, is that our staff went with Milton because of the tools, not necessarily because he is the best QB.

If that is the case, and he struggles next week, I hope that Heup will pull him and give HB a shot.
Wouldn't HH be next up? Especially seeing him in relief last night, it seems he's QB2, at the moment at least.

But we also heard JM was the best all camp, not just potential, but actual production, based on actual throws and such.

As some have mentioned before, maybe our QB room is just not "all that" at this point either. Plenty of potential though and Hype needs more time with all of them I'd say. But I think it is realistic to think maybe we don't have an immediate stud on the roster either...hopefully we will by halfway point or at least Y2. Rush game can carry us some it seems.
 
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