Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[hog88]

It is easier to go to war against a political ideology than a religious one. We conditioned a new generation of martyrs.

The NVA/Vietcong were not much different than the Taliban.

 

[NEO]

Trump already signed ac

trump already signed a deal with them. Something nobody wants to acknowledge because then they’d have to blame trump and lord knows he does know wrong. They don’t seem to understand that you cannot whine about Biden negotiating with terrorists without acknowledging the terrorist they are negotiating with was released by trump. Lots of blame to go around, but nobody will hold their own responsible.

I am sorry but you are not being honest here at all.

I totally said, and will say again, Trump made a huge mistake there and was wrong.

The issue is none of that remotely matters IF (and this is where you keep deflecting) the US gets all its citizens out and THEN removes the military.

All Biden had to do was say we are leaving in 90 days and we need everyone out by then. Between now and then we need you to contact the local embassy so we can begin extracting you home.

Then you pull the military when the last person leaves. You also keep your allies in the loop and work with them.

He did it reverse which is the ONLY reason your Trump deflection can come into play.

 

[McDad]

The NVA/Vietcong were not much different than the Taliban.

I have no knowledge which conflicts with your assessment.

 

[hog88]

I have no knowledge which conflicts with your assessment.

Just saying both had elements of politics and religion.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The NVA/Vietcong were not much different than the Taliban.

The South Vietnamese were at least two hundred years more evolved than the average Afghan.

 

[McDad]

Just saying both had elements of politics and religion.

I am aware of the politics but not the religion. What religious idealism were the VC fighting for?

 

[AirVol]

So Blinken says he spoke to President Karzi about the withdrawal before he left the country to Uzbekistan. He can’t get the name right Hell, Karzi hasn’t been Pres for 7 years. This whole administration is a joke.

 

[hog88]

The South Vietnamese were at least two hundred years more evolved than the average Afghan.

Close, but the just like in Afghanistan for those living in the villages and mountains outside the cities who's in charge made little to no difference in their lives. They didn't care because Taliban or US installed govt didn't change the facts of their everyday lives, they just wanted to be left alone.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It started when we negotiated a peace deal with them.

I’m sorry. Your post arrived at 9:01. Being 1 min late makes your post invalid.

Lol. It’s been a busy day. I’m sure later when I catch up I’ll be sad that I missed the conversation

 

[NEO]

The NVA/Vietcong were not much different than the Taliban.

Japan and Germany were already major nations before they lost their wars.

We somehow think that third world nations will want to rebuild just like they did.

Somehow we can’t understand that sh&@holes are this way for a reason and they aren’t changing.

If by 2021 your country is still a pile of crap you are staying a pile of crap.

I mean Mexico should be first world in every aspect but it’s still crap. Business’s want in there and they have tons of resort areas and the wealthy would love to live there but they still just a 3rd world nation due to government corruption and lack of education.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Close, but the just like in Afghanistan for those living in the villages and mountains outside the cities who's in charge made little to no difference in their lives. They didn't care because Taliban or US installed govt didn't change the facts of their everyday lives, they just wanted to be left alone.

Very true. Once again we were desperately trying to give Democracy to a bunch of damn people that have no understanding of the concept and couldn’t care less about it.

 

[AM64]

Disagree. Unless this administration does something to get a big bounce back, it will hurt the Dems in 2024. Unless the GOP stupidly runs Trump again. Biden won't go for a second term, but Harris will want to run. The Dems can't afford to give her the nomination. They'll have to find someone else to step up if they want to have any chance, and part of their struggle will be overcoming how this administration handled this. And let an American life be lost (God willing that does not happen), and they'll not be able to overcome it IMO. This isn't Benghazi where they were able to successfully dodge the unnecessary loss of life by blaming low to mid-level state department officials. Biden's incompetence on this withdraw has been all over the media, even the media that generally supports him. To call this a "mid-level **** up" is a huge understatement. It's wishful thinking.

Honestly, I thought the GOP made a huge blunder by becoming "the party of Trump". I thought it would ultimately cripple them and leave the Dems sitting pretty. But no, just when things looked really bad for the right, Biden says "hold my beer".

Lord, I would love if this somehow killed both parties. It won't. Wishful thinking on my part. But it would be great for our country if it did.

Yes and no. For maybe the first time in at least a century, one party did something different. It wasn't a continuation of the politician vs politician like the old Mad magazine Spy vs Spy; the GOP was actually coopted and outsiders took over. That's as good as it's going to get, and we need more of it - with better choices. Trump certainly was not the guy most of us would want, but where else in either government or the corporate world would you find someone who thinks somewhat rationally but outside the box and isn't simply a bureaucrat? And where outside those two realms will you find someone electable? Academia is a joke, and so are the Bezos, Gates, Musks, etc. Entertainment and sports are even worse. The system would eat alive anybody from professional ranks like medicine or engineering, and we've already determine the military "leaders" are simply politicians in their own right. Face it, we've been electing the people we deserve because we won't elect the people we should because we have a bad habit of sleeping with lying egotists.

 

[hog88]

I am aware of the politics but not the religion. What religious idealism were the VC fighting for?

To many the idea of independence was a religion. Most VC didn't give a damn about communism, hell HO Chi Min wasn't a communist until we refused to help him get rid of the French and Russia did. They were just tired of being brutalized by foreign powers. We severely screwed up in S Vietnam by supporting back to back corrupt and brutal regimes.

 

[Velo Vol]

Are you saying the Taliban would not have taken over had the Afghan government been at the table?

Eventually? Perhaps. But it didn't have to fall apart while we were still there.

If, instead of this charade of a peace deal, we had simply announced we were leaving in a few months, the Taliban wouldn't have had time to organize. Instead, we gave them a year to build up, and tied our hands to respond.

Even US officials were amazed at what happened. When they saw their government signing a conditional withdrawal deal, they assumed the US would call out the Taliban for breaches of the agreement, thus delaying the withdrawal and allowing for more pressure on the Taliban to opt for a settlement. Instead, the US failed to respond to the Taliban breaches and increasingly obvious determination to pursue the military option. It is clear that the US wanted to use the illusion of a political process to provide some political cover for extricating itself from Afghanistan. But, by persuading its Afghan and international allies to focus all energy on the doomed peace talks and promise of a settlement, the US fatally diverted energy away from preparations for the post-withdrawal Taliban offensive.

 

[NEO]

The South Vietnamese were at least two hundred years more evolved than the average Afghan.

Maybe 2,000 years.

I have had marines tell me horrible stories.

Outside the base he said 2 Afghans broke a dogs back legs so it couldn’t run and then raped it and killed it. He said this was just common crap over there. He said nobody could read and the men raped boys like it was just a normal day at the office.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

The Jen Psaki WH Press Conference Clown Show has started.
Get ready for lies lies & more lies.... to cover up the Potato-in-Chief.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Maybe 2,000 years.

I have had marines tell me horrible stories.

Outside the base he said 2 Afghans broke a dogs back legs so it couldn’t run and then raped it and killed it. He said this was just common crap over there. He said nobody could read and the men raped boys like it was just a normal day at the office.

 

[AM64]

More like it.

It's like a train out of Afghanistan right now. When is it going to end, and are we going to leave anybody but the Taliban in place? What are we going to do with the entire population of Afghanistan dumped in our laps, and at this rate it will be the whole population? Where's the line, who is drawing it, who is selecting the people going into the planes? Where does it end?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

It's like a train out of Afghanistan right now. When is it going to end, and are we going to leave anybody but the Taliban in place? What are we going to do with the entire population of Afghanistan dumped in our laps, and at this rate it will be the whole population? Where's the line, who is drawing it, who is selecting the people going into the planes? Where does it end?

Perhaps, Vel Vol or EL or even Tyler can find tweets to answer all the questions you pose.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So according to the esteemed Ron Klain we have thus evacuated 49,000 Afghans? Sounds legit.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

It's like a train out of Afghanistan right now. When is it going to end, and are we going to leave anybody but the Taliban in place? What are we going to do with the entire population of Afghanistan dumped in our laps, and at this rate it will be the whole population? Where's the line, who is drawing it, who is selecting the people going into the planes? Where does it end?

Do you want to save innocent people from terrorists or not?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Why would any American in Afghanistan wants to stay in Afghanistan right now?
This clown Psaki keeps saying "we are committed to bringing all Americans home that won't to come home". Is she dumb blind & stupid like everyone else working in this Biden/Harris administration?

 

[AM64]

Do you want to save innocent people from terrorists or not?

I'd rather see them grow some balls and fight for themselves - same with central America. If you keep giving people a way out instead of a way to fight for what they need/want, then you just turn it into an exodus. We should have learned the message from our failed civil rights legislation; you have to give people the means to develop and thrive rather than exist on handouts. In biblical terms teach a man to fish ...

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

I'd rather see them grow some balls and fight for themselves.

We agree in this, but its not going to happen. Its been 20 years and they folded in a matter of days without even firing a shot. If we stayed 20 more years do you really think it would have mattered?

 

[NorthDallas40]

We agree in this, but its not going to happen. Its been 20 years and they folded in a matter of days without even firing a shot. If we stayed 20 more years do you really think it would have mattered?

Nope. But we don’t need to stupidly endanger anybody with a Bennie Hill Show style withdrawal