Coronavirus (No politics)

Masking is the hardest part of this for me. I'm not anti-mask by any stretch, and logic tells me that anything that impedes whatever is flying out of your mouth and nose should help matters. But there are tons of Covid curves that just don't seem to show the surefire correlation between masks and infection rates that some seem to think.

The University of Louisville study that was released about 2 months ago says pretty much the exact same thing you are pointing to. Masks do not help slow the spread of COVID. In fact, multiple peer reviewed studies before this pandemic say that regular surgical masks and cloth masks are ineffective against viruses....and this is a virus.....obviously.
 
Masking is the hardest part of this for me. I'm not anti-mask by any stretch, and logic tells me that anything that impedes whatever is flying out of your mouth and nose should help matters. But there are tons of Covid curves that just don't seem to show the surefire correlation between masks and infection rates that some seem to think.

Like I said, there are holes in the mandates. Restaurants, gyms, churches, work places that don’t enforce it, etc. Then there is general compliance from the nose cheaters to the outright mask-holes.

It is literally the least you can do to contribute to slowing/minimizing community spread. It’s not my favorite thing to do. I was happy to start abandoning it after being vaccinated. I work from home and my kids are homeschooled so my exposure rate is extremely low with the exception that my wife works in the hospital. But I’m going to do whatever small thing I can to help get this under control.
 
The University of Louisville study that was released about 2 months ago says pretty much the exact same thing you are pointing to. Masks do not help slow the spread of COVID. In fact, multiple peer reviewed studies before this pandemic say that regular surgical masks and cloth masks are ineffective against viruses....and this is a virus.....obviously.
Stunning. Truly.
 
The University of Louisville study that was released about 2 months ago says pretty much the exact same thing you are pointing to. Masks do not help slow the spread of COVID. In fact, multiple peer reviewed studies before this pandemic say that regular surgical masks and cloth masks are ineffective against viruses....and this is a virus.....obviously.
In light of the massive amount of misinformation on everything surrounding Covid, I’m pretty much in the mode of “provide the link to support your statements or they aren’t valid”
 
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Like I said, there are holes in the mandates. Restaurants, gyms, churches, work places that don’t enforce it, etc. Then there is general compliance from the nose cheaters to the outright mask-holes.
That’s the problem though. Between the non-compliers, the maskers who just aren’t very conscientious and human nature, I’m not sure you can ever hope to get the compliance necessary for making it effective. It’s kind of like those 3’ plexiglass barriers that people talk behind as if air isn’t circulating around them from 18 inches to the left and right.
 
The World Health Organization and The CDC aren't "the guv'ment" like you try to paint them. They aren't AOC or a bunch of good old boy kooks who were elected by a bunch of clueless mouth-breathers. Their sole purpose is to advocate for Healthcare across the globe. What in God's name would they stand to gain by outright lying to the public?
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The World Health Organization and The CDC aren't "the guv'ment" like you try to paint them. They aren't AOC or a bunch of good old boy kooks who were elected by a bunch of clueless mouth-breathers. Their sole purpose is to advocate for Healthcare across the globe. What in God's name would they stand to gain by outright lying to the public?

So, who do you think funds the CDC and the WHO.......that would be the guv'ments. I can promise you they will toe the government line when money is the issue.
 
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CDC and the WHO are not gonna want to give up their new found power. It's about money AND power. Doesn't mean they're necessarily bad or compromised but I'd bet from now on we'll be dealing with media promoted CDC "guidelines" on a whole bunch of stuff.
 
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The vaccine is not pointless. I've never once argued it was pointless. I think the vaccine is effective in lessening symptoms. I've never told anyone not to take it or said that people should not take it.

At the same time, the whole story needs to be told. Natural immunity is also effective, and should be taken into account, and therefore vaccines should not be mandated for anyone at all, especially those who have already had the virus. And the fact is, there is no data demonstrating that young people need them anyway, as they are at virtually no risk of serious illness or of dying from this virus.

Further, people need to be aware of risks of vaccine, that people are having serious side effects, and people have died from taking the vaccine, so that people can make their own choice in the matter and not be coerced by lies on the internet. This is further reason why they should not be mandated. If there is no liability for vaccine companies, then certainly vaccines should not be mandatory.

Further, in spite of the narrative and fear porn, the vast vast majority of people getting seriously ill and or dying from this virus, are still the elderly and/or people with multiple co-morbidities and severe issues.

Further, as the post above I posted shows clearly, hospitals are not filling up. Hospitals spiked a small amount recently, and are already trending down. While it may have happened in a few places, it is not happening all over the country, and there are plenty of beds. There aren't near as many people in the hospital as at the peak of covid and we never ran out of hospital beds in spite of setting up tents in the park and sending in the USNS Comfort which we never used. We aren't going to go over capacity this time either or even get close.

Finally, not only all of that, but in spite of the lies that have been told on Tik Tok and scary headlines in this thread, that data from CDC shows clearly that young people still are not being hospitalized at any significant rate. It is virtually the same as it has always been during this covid outbreak. Anyone believing that narrative isn't following the data but the headlines and fear porn. The CDC itself in that picture above proves that.

People need all the data, not just the narrative coming from Fauci and the MSM.

Oh, and masks clearly and demonstrably don't work

It is totally untrue statement to say hospitals are not filling up with Covid patients. I saw it firsthand this week with the hospitals I work with ICUs totally full. One hospital has 2 ICUs with one 14 bed ICU 100% COVID patients. The other 10 bed ICU is reserved for other patient and heart procedures. They are now having go restrict surgeries because they just don’t have the beds to put patients post-op.

You just don’t know what your talking about and cherry picking to suite your preconceived notions. Those states with higher rates of vaccinated are not experiencing the drastic spikes , hmmm wonder why not?

“MISSION, Kan. — Many overwhelmed hospitals, with no beds to offer, are putting critically ill COVID-19 patients on planes, helicopters and ambulances and sending them hundreds of miles to far-flung states for treatment.”
 
It is totally untrue statement to say hospitals are not filling up with Covid patients. I saw it firsthand this week with the hospitals I work with ICUs totally full. One hospital has 2 ICUs with one 14 bed ICU 100% COVID patients. The other 10 bed ICU is reserved for other patient and heart procedures. They are now having go restrict surgeries because they just don’t have the beds to put patients post-op.

You just don’t know what your talking about and cherry picking to suite your preconceived notions. Those states with higher rates of vaccinated are not experiencing the drastic spikes , hmmm wonder why not?

“MISSION, Kan. — Many overwhelmed hospitals, with no beds to offer, are putting critically ill COVID-19 patients on planes, helicopters and ambulances and sending them hundreds of miles to far-flung states for treatment.”
Further, as the post above I posted shows clearly, hospitals are not filling up. Hospitals spiked a small amount recently, and are already trending down. While it may have happened in a few places, it is not happening all over the country, and there are plenty of beds. There aren't near as many people in the hospital as at the peak of covid and we never ran out of hospital beds in spite of setting up tents in the park and sending in the USNS Comfort which we never used.

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Hospitals in Alabama have run out of intensive care unit beds as coronavirus cases spike across the state, forcing workers to make space to treat patients as they wait for open beds. There were 29 more patients than ICU beds available as of Wednesday, an Alabama Department of Public Health spokesperson confirmed to CBS News.
 
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Alabama has ZERO ICU beds. Jefferson County, TN has 21% positivity rate with over half the folks admitted to the hospital there having COVID. You have to look at hot spots. You just don’t know what your are talking about . Not sure if you read any posts I put but I was in 6 hospitals over the past week and I had to go through all the COVID units and literally the ICUs were all full with some ICUs now dedicated to COVID which means those beds are not available to folks who have other conditions and get hospitalized. There are patients having to be transported to other states who have capacity.
You can show all the graphs you want but a simple google search shows that hospitals are being strained. And I saw it with my own eyes, spoke to the nurses and doctors. Had to wear an N95 mask in those areas. Saw the signs on the doors of COVID patients with warnings that PPE is required to enter. Watched nurses putting on full PPE with plastic gowns, gloves, face shields, head covering just to walk in and change a setting on a monitor or ventilator. Enter the room for 1 minute and then have to discard all that PPE.

Wish the doubters could see what I saw firsthand.
 
It is totally untrue statement to say hospitals are not filling up with Covid patients.
It’s so obviously off base that it’s not really worth responding to. Whatever anybody thinks the solution is, it’s straight up denial to ignore the capacity problems that are going on in hard hit areas.
 
Masks do help. Common sense they prevent the spread of respiratory droplets (study after study) I’ve been in 6 different hospitals this week around Knoxville in COVID units. Most ICUs are at the max. Hospitals have setup COVID units outside the ICUs for folks with less severe cases. Was in a 60 bed hospital today, 30 patients in beds were COVID.

Saying you went to an event with no mask and did not catch it is like saying I drove 95mph the other day and didn’t have a wreck so I no longer will wear a seat belt.

Masks are silly. I drive a truck and cross multiple state lines every day and hardly anyone in the business takes masks mandates serious. I'm sure I have way more exposure to covid than lots of people on here that work normal jobs do. There's lots of gritty, nasty door handles that have to be opened wherever I go but I never caught covid and I've only been sick once in the past 25 years. Taking normal common sense precautions of washing your hands regularly and not touching your face works just as well for covid as it does the flu and every other virus out there. Masks are foolish. They're filthy and a lot of you people who wear them don't seem to have a problem with trashing up everywhere just discarding them on the ground or wherever.
 
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Delta is a completely different animal, WAY more contagious. You're experience last fall is now irrelevant. If you are unvaccinated and attend these games, be prepared to get it.

It's not irrelevant at all. I went to several events last year with thousands of people and already this year tol. My work has me crossing several state lines every day. I probably wouldn't catch it because I take precautions. And I dont believe the hype about Delta. But if you had read my post you would know I did get vaccinated. I was talked into it by family and ultimately thought it was the right thing to do.
 
Im rarely referred to as dude ..but okay

We wont talk about whose carreer path is more involved with hospitals but lets just say im at my local VA regularly and oddly enough...no cots
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But im sure there is an answer for that as well.

Hysteria is still what i would refer to anyone proclaiming that if you go to an outdoor event you're gonna get COVID.
Whatever man, I hope the VA takes good care of you.
 
It is easy to make everyone panic and say that ICUs are full - most hospitals have 8-12 beds in an ICU. They fill up pretty quick in any public emergency. The news makes it sound like the whole hospital is overflowing.
 
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