Coronavirus (No politics)

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Yes but the tweets you are posting are implying that the vaccine is pointless, as seems to be your stance on the subject altogether. Iceland is having a surge of mild cases but their hospitals are not filling up like Alabama.

The vaccine is not pointless. I've never once argued it was pointless. I think the vaccine is effective in lessening symptoms. I've never told anyone not to take it or said that people should not take it.

At the same time, the whole story needs to be told. Natural immunity is also effective, and should be taken into account, and therefore vaccines should not be mandated for anyone at all, especially those who have already had the virus. And the fact is, there is no data demonstrating that young people need them anyway, as they are at virtually no risk of serious illness or of dying from this virus.

Further, people need to be aware of risks of vaccine, that people are having serious side effects, and people have died from taking the vaccine, so that people can make their own choice in the matter and not be coerced by lies on the internet. This is further reason why they should not be mandated. If there is no liability for vaccine companies, then certainly vaccines should not be mandatory.

Further, in spite of the narrative and fear porn, the vast vast majority of people getting seriously ill and or dying from this virus, are still the elderly and/or people with multiple co-morbidities and severe issues.

Further, as the post above I posted shows clearly, hospitals are not filling up. Hospitals spiked a small amount recently, and are already trending down. While it may have happened in a few places, it is not happening all over the country, and there are plenty of beds. There aren't near as many people in the hospital as at the peak of covid and we never ran out of hospital beds in spite of setting up tents in the park and sending in the USNS Comfort which we never used. We aren't going to go over capacity this time either or even get close.

Finally, not only all of that, but in spite of the lies that have been told on Tik Tok and scary headlines in this thread, that data from CDC shows clearly that young people still are not being hospitalized at any significant rate. It is virtually the same as it has always been during this covid outbreak. Anyone believing that narrative isn't following the data but the headlines and fear porn. The CDC itself in that picture above proves that.

People need all the data, not just the narrative coming from Fauci and the MSM.

Oh, and masks clearly and demonstrably don't work

 

[volkyries]

Make up your mind. I said two days ago that vaccines didn't stop infection but lessened effects. I was told that's misinformation. Now that I post the data of cases rising in Iceland, I'm told that I was right in the first place, cases are rising but symptoms are not bad! Imagine that.

Which is it guys? Make up your mind.

I just answered your tweet with no real point other than to show a chart with a line going up means nothing without some context. Also from the article that you seemed to miss was that Iceland scrapped all of their COVID protections and then had a massive rise in cases. Would all of those vaccinated folks have gotten sick if everything wasn't removed? I don't know but it seems like something might be there. I did not read the whole article because I am not a subscriber, but that part was in the second line. I am not into the "fear porn" as you put it but I am also not really into your shaming of it either.

 

[VolnJC]

Eight months after second jab.

So us J&J folks still alright

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I just answered your tweet with no real point other than to show a chart with a line going up means nothing without some context. Also from the article that you seemed to miss was that Iceland scrapped all of their COVID protections and then had a massive rise in cases. Would all of those vaccinated folks have gotten sick if everything wasn't removed? I don't know but it seems like something might be there. I did not read the whole article because I am not a subscriber, but that part was in the second line. I am not into the "fear porn" as you put it but I am also not really into your shaming of it either.

I doubt it. If you compare states/countries with strict measures vs states with none, I.e Hawaii and texas, they have identical charts.

but I’ve never denied that vaccines lessen symptoms, I’ve stated that actually.
vaccines do not stop spread however. But I was told that was more misinformation 2 days ago so I’m trying to keep it straight with the VN experts on misinfo

 

[MDVols]

Vax'd folks don't care anymore.

So glad the shot will never come up again from Vax’d people then. I was afraid we would hear about it forever.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Better stay locked up in your basement.

I'm vaccinated, been exposed to multiple people that had it, didn't get it, the unvaccinated people around me did. Keep trusting in those Facebook memes though.

 

[jwells]

I certainly will not believe any government agency or official.

Lol.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Nothing like a little histeria to liven up a Thursday morning..

Edit
Hysteria damnit...i never see typos or spelling errors until AFTER i hit post reply

Listen dude, I represent doctors and hospitals for a living and I can assure you that in these areas of the country where their are like 20% vaccination rates they are treating unvaccinated people on cots in the hospital hallways right now because they are overloaded.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Is there a specific test for Delta?

They can test it but it's a waste of time because the treatment is the same regardless.

 

[sona]

And we wonder why the numbers are going up ...?

Obstinacy, illiteracy, and general stick-neckedness helps a lot. Mix in some distrust of our government, and you just made a batch of Covid Stew.

 

[CAVPUT]

They can make any statement they want, but unless it's full capacity without a damned face diaper, they can F-*&^ off.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Listen dude, I represent doctors and hospitals for a living and I can assure you that in these areas of the country where their are like 20% vaccination rates they are treating unvaccinated people on cots in the hospital hallways right now because they are overloaded.

Im rarely referred to as dude ..but okay

We wont talk about whose carreer path is more involved with hospitals but lets just say im at my local VA regularly and oddly enough...no cots


But im sure there is an answer for that as well.

Hysteria is still what i would refer to anyone proclaiming that if you go to an outdoor event you're gonna get COVID.

 

[NO SIR EEE]

Lol.

I’m not real sure what’s so funny about my statement. If anyone follows what government officials tell you to do as far as vaccinations and viruses, then they’re a goof. Politicians are nothing but dimwits who can get people to blindly follow them without thinking for themselves.

If you want to get the shot, do it on your own accord. Don’t do it because jackasses in DC or CDC officials are telling you to.

 

[BenGrimm]

The vaccine is not pointless. I've never once argued it was pointless. I think the vaccine is effective in lessening symptoms. I've never told anyone not to take it or said that people should not take it.

At the same time, the whole story needs to be told. Natural immunity is also effective, and should be taken into account, and therefore vaccines should not be mandated for anyone at all, especially those who have already had the virus. And the fact is, there is no data demonstrating that young people need them anyway, as they are at virtually no risk of serious illness or of dying from this virus.

Further, people need to be aware of risks of vaccine, that people are having serious side effects, and people have died from taking the vaccine, so that people can make their own choice in the matter and not be coerced by lies on the internet. This is further reason why they should not be mandated. If there is no liability for vaccine companies, then certainly vaccines should not be mandatory.

Further, in spite of the narrative and fear porn, the vast vast majority of people getting seriously ill and or dying from this virus, are still the elderly and/or people with multiple co-morbidities and severe issues.

Further, as the post above I posted shows clearly, hospitals are not filling up. Hospitals spiked a small amount recently, and are already trending down. While it may have happened in a few places, it is not happening all over the country, and there are plenty of beds. There aren't near as many people in the hospital as at the peak of covid and we never ran out of hospital beds in spite of setting up tents in the park and sending in the USNS Comfort which we never used. We aren't going to go over capacity this time either or even get close.

Finally, not only all of that, but in spite of the lies that have been told on Tik Tok and scary headlines in this thread, that data from CDC shows clearly that young people still are not being hospitalized at any significant rate. It is virtually the same as it has always been during this covid outbreak. Anyone believing that narrative isn't following the data but the headlines and fear porn. The CDC itself in that picture above proves that.

People need all the data, not just the narrative coming from Fauci and the MSM.

Oh, and masks clearly and demonstrably don't work

Tell it to AL and MS that hospitals aren’t filling up.

And it is not demonstrably clear that masks don’t work. You post graphs with no context, not a line going up. Drill down studies have shown masks are effective in SLOWING the spread and even reducing the amount of viral load of infected.

There is some obvious holes in mandate policies (such as indoor restaurants and gyms) which are typically where infections spread under such mandates.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Tell it to AL and MS that hospitals aren’t filling up.

And it is not demonstrably clear that masks don’t work. You post graphs with no context, not a line going up. Drill down studies have shown masks are effective in SLOWING the spread and even reducing the amount of viral load of infected.

There is some obvious holes in mandate policies (such as indoor restaurants and gyms) which are typically where infections spread under such mandates.

Further, as the post above I posted shows clearly, hospitals are not filling up. Hospitals spiked a small amount recently, and are already trending down. While it may have happened in a few places, it is not happening all over the country, and there are plenty of beds. There aren't near as many people in the hospital as at the peak of covid and we never ran out of hospital beds in spite of setting up tents in the park and sending in the USNS Comfort which we never used.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Around 360 new cases per 1 MILLION per day. I know of a few states in the US that would love to have those numbers.

 

[Frozevol]

I’m not real sure what’s so funny about my statement. If anyone follows what government officials tell you to do as far as vaccinations and viruses, then they’re a goof. Politicians are nothing but dimwits who can get people to blindly follow them without thinking for themselves.

If you want to get the shot, do it on your own accord. Don’t do it because jackasses in DC or CDC officials are telling you to.

Lol

 

[kcvols1]

It’s funny how no one will recognize that a good portion of those Natives did their absolute best to slaughter and rape every European they could find

Just going out on a limb, but I’d imagine those numbers would be from an unscientific poll.

Regardless, an eye for an eye only makes everyone blind.

 

[johnboyhunter]

Do you truly believe your previous statements in this thread? Or do you believe them because the government is telling you to?

Over this past week I had to walk through six different hospitals. I was in Covid units in all these hospitals. I only counted one open ICU bed. One hospital had 58 beds, 32 Of these beds were occupied by Covid patients. Speaking with ICU directors they said consistently that 95% of the patients with Covid in the ICUs were unvaccinated. I work directly with critical care nurses and pulmonologist in these hospitals.One hospitals COO’s husband who is in his mid-30s had Covid and had to have a double lung transplant. Unvaccinated people are causing this mess costing hospitals millions of dollars while they have to postpone elective surgeries which is where they generate revenue. It is now hitting the pediatric ICUs where they are filling up which is really sad.

Did not get my information from the government I received it directly from the nurses and doctors and with my own eyes. If you are not vaccinated you’re really playing a dangerous game right now.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Same as that cdc picture above

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I’m not real sure what’s so funny about my statement. If anyone follows what government officials tell you to do as far as vaccinations and viruses, then they’re a goof. Politicians are nothing but dimwits who can get people to blindly follow them without thinking for themselves.

If you want to get the shot, do it on your own accord. Don’t do it because jackasses in DC or CDC officials are telling you to.

The World Health Organization and The CDC aren't "the guv'ment" like you try to paint them. They aren't AOC or a bunch of good old boy kooks who were elected by a bunch of clueless mouth-breathers. Their sole purpose is to advocate for Healthcare across the globe. What in God's name would they stand to gain by outright lying to the public?

 

[johnboyhunter]

Im rarely referred to as dude ..but okay

We wont talk about whose carreer path is more involved with hospitals but lets just say im at my local VA regularly and oddly enough...no cots


But im sure there is an answer for that as well.

Hysteria is still what i would refer to anyone proclaiming that if you go to an outdoor event you're gonna get COVID.

I was in six hospitals this week and I can tell you firsthand that they were holding patience in the emergency department in the hallways on stretchers and other areas because the ICUs are full and they were trying to find beds for patients.

 

[lukeneyland]

Just going out on a limb, but I’d imagine those numbers would be from an unscientific poll.

Regardless, an eye for an eye only makes everyone blind.

I’m simply pointing out that the narrative that the Indians were not as war mongering and conquest based as the Europeans is false. They fought, conquered, enslaved each other with regularity. The difference was that our ancestors developed superior weapon technology

 

[GAVol]

Tell it to AL and MS that hospitals aren’t filling up.

And it is not demonstrably clear that masks don’t work. You post graphs with no context, not a line going up. Drill down studies have shown masks are effective in SLOWING the spread and even reducing the amount of viral load of infected.

There is some obvious holes in mandate policies (such as indoor restaurants and gyms) which are typically where infections spread under such mandates.

Masking is the hardest part of this for me. I'm not anti-mask by any stretch, and logic tells me that anything that impedes whatever is flying out of your mouth and nose should help matters. But there are tons of Covid curves that just don't seem to show the surefire correlation between masks and infection rates that some seem to think.

 

[LWSVOL]

Here are the SEC guidelines for the 2021-22 competitive year. These were posted on August 11. Lot of references to school and/or local government regulations are the driver over SEC regulations. Harder rules, not softer.

http://a.espncdn.com/sec/media/2021/SEC Task Force Recommendations August 2021.pdf