Coronavirus (No politics)

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K-town Vol Fan said:
It was approved for emergency use. They don't approve for emergency use if there are safety concerns.
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They would have to since they have no clue if any safety concerns exist. There was little to no real testing so there was little to no data when they were rolled out
 
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Get the vaccine, don't get the vaccine. Mask or don't mask. Trust the science, don't trust the science.

Believe what you want but the best way to divide a country is working, because that is what's happening. We are living it right now through a message board designed for sports talk.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Dr. Fauci does not one cent from Covid vaccine sales. The only people who make money from vaccine sales are the companies who manufacture the vaccines unless you receive the vaccine from a private physician who can charge for an office visit. Health Departments and most Drug stores will administer the vaccine at no charge.
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Fauci and others have direct benefits from personal investments. Indirectly, those companies fund speeches, projects, grants, et al that either directly or indirectly benefit Fauci and those like him in national agencies.

His behavior concerning masks adds to his unreliability as a trustworthy source. He went from mocking the idea that masks were any part of the solution (which was when he was actually "following the science") to suggesting double masking and having an angry exchange with Senator Paul (also a physician) because he was challenged for proof. The science didn't change. The post-restriction studies and data say that masks were essentially useless. Masks neither prevent nor mitigated local outbreaks. Late studies (which actually agree with pre-Covid studies that disappeared from the internet when the push for masks was on) show that the masks being commonly worn offered no protection from getting or spreading the virus. Studies of populations show that the virus had basically the same impact on similar communities where mask use was prevalent in one and not so in the other.

This is now stuff that the "medical community" knows or has access to know. Where are the "leaders" acknowledging and correcting their errors.

Fauci on a few occasions has essentially acknowledged that they did not "inform" the public fully because they believed people would act in ways contrary to what they wanted them to act. That's manipulation and control. That is NOT what we should expect from our "leaders".
 
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Jaws said:
A big reason is because the Governor of Florida is very likely your next Biden (Harris) opponent, depending on what Trump does. So Desantis is already taking slings and arrows from the usual corners.

Agree on TN, great state, beautiful, great place to live.
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To me DeSantis is Trump... with morals, class, and self-control.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I mean… I have been all over the world since I got Covid and got my vaccine and have not contracted it again yet.

Was in a country for a month with only a 1% vaccine rate and also had the Delta Variant in that country and I did not contract COVID. So I would say being vaccinated has contributed to that.
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How many times did you get tested?
 
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I got vaccinated and so did my wife. My son will get vaccinated once they approve it for his age group. That being said, the decision to get vaccinated has never been due to the impression that the vaccine would protect us from infection. If you're exposed, especially to the delta variant, you're likely going to be infected to some degree. The point of being vaccinated is to greatly reduce the odds of it resulting in serious illness, hospitalization, and/or death. To that end, I do think the data supports the effectiveness of the vaccine. I personally would rather risk having a very rare and treatable side effect from a vaccine than risk a much more common infection from COVID with difficult to treat complications.
 
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Volinlife said:
Populations are close to half and half, to make an argument as though they are not is disingenuous. Granted, I'm not the best at statistics but if populations are equal, 60% of new cases are unvaccinated people, does that mean 40% of new cases are what...vaccinated? What other category opposite of unvaccinated is there?
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90% of the adult population in the UK have been vaccinated (at least one dose). That’s 46 million of a total population of 66 million. Children would make up a large percentage of those remaining unvaccinated but not those in hospital. So, that 60% (vaccinated) of hospital cases comes from a relatively small group whereas the 40% (vaccinated) comes from a much larger group. It’s not anywhere near half and half
 
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Daniel_Lincolns_Foot said:
It's like when you talk about US healthcare and all of a sudden people knows someone who come to the US from Canada for healthcare, and can vouch for the fact that the Canadian healthcare system sucks.

You live in Memphis, Daryl. You've never met or even spoken with anyone from Canada. I have lived a majority of my life 45 minutes from the Canadian border, and hell, I've never even met anyone from Canada.
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WTF are you taking about?
 
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bamawriter said:
Not true. Lost a starting o-lineman for a game. Lost some backups a couple of other times. Had various coaches out for Kentucky, Auburn (including Saban), LSU, and Arkansas.

Butch Jones had to fill in as RB coach for 2 games, so I challenge you to show me another program that was as negatively affected.
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Vanderbilt baseball
 
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A co-worker's mother-in-law has been in the hospital for 8 days fighting covid. As soon as they take her off bipap (has been at 100% the last 3 days) her oxygen drops. They put in a picc line yesterday because they couldn't take her off bipap long enough to put a feeding tube in. She and her daughters (one of which is co-worker's wife) were adamant they would not get the vaccine.

They did insist their dad get vaccinated, he had triple by-pass in March. They felt his health put him at too big of a risk. He got covid the same time his wife did (from their grand kids who brought it back from camp). He had cold symptoms and ran a low grade fever for one day.

Co-worker's wife got her vaccine Saturday, and is now urging others to get theirs.
 
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sjt18 said:
Fauci and others have direct benefits from personal investments. Indirectly, those companies fund speeches, projects, grants, et al that either directly or indirectly benefit Fauci and those like him in national agencies.

His behavior concerning masks adds to his unreliability as a trustworthy source. He went from mocking the idea that masks were any part of the solution (which was when he was actually "following the science") to suggesting double masking and having an angry exchange with Senator Paul (also a physician) because he was challenged for proof. The science didn't change. The post-restriction studies and data say that masks were essentially useless. Masks neither prevent nor mitigated local outbreaks. Late studies (which actually agree with pre-Covid studies that disappeared from the internet when the push for masks was on) show that the masks being commonly worn offered no protection from getting or spreading the virus. Studies of populations show that the virus had basically the same impact on similar communities where mask use was prevalent in one and not so in the other.

This is now stuff that the "medical community" knows or has access to know. Where are the "leaders" acknowledging and correcting their errors.

Fauci on a few occasions has essentially acknowledged that they did not "inform" the public fully because they believed people would act in ways contrary to what they wanted them to act. That's manipulation and control. That is NOT what we should expect from our "leaders".
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Dr. Fauci is forbidden from investing in companies with who have a working relationship the NIH. It is a matter of ethics something of which Dr. Fauci has an abundance. I had a working relationship with Dr. Fauci fro almost 30 years and your attack on him is baseless and untrue.
 
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Jaws said:
A big reason is because the Governor of Florida is very likely your next Biden (Harris) opponent, depending on what Trump does. So Desantis is already taking slings and arrows from the usual corners.

Agree on TN, great state, beautiful, great place to live.
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Well yeah DeSantis is their new villain, it's just funny they're still acting like Florida is just some virus paradise when almost every other state is the same now.
 
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sjt18 said:
Did you mean to say it has not been very effective?

I get a weekly report from our county health department. We recently had a "spike" in cases. So far all of the people who were hospitalized were not vaccinated. About 10% in my anecdote had been vaccinated. Other counties near me though report about 50%.

Here's the kicker. ZERO people who previously had the virus have been reinfected in my county. Naturally acquired immunity appears to be more effective than any of the vaccines.... of course those with friends in high places like Fauci et al cannot make money from natural immunity... only vaccines.
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To get natural immunity you have to catch it. And maybe get sick as a dog and end up in the hospital. I agree that it’s the most effective.
 
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We've batted this ball back and forth...and probably will as long as the division is kept alive. All the "numbers" pro and con can not be trusted. If we as Americans should know ANYTHING by now...we rarely get correct, unbias, factual information today. So...I guess we can give our "numbers facts" etc till our eyeballs bleed...but for me...believing those type things and relying on their truthfulness went the way of carrier pigeon years ago.
 
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Illinoisvolfan2 said:
To get natural immunity you have to catch it. And maybe get sick as a dog and end up in the hospital. I agree that it’s the most effective.
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A small fraction end up in the hospital. Many don't get very sick or for very long. According to a British study from earlier in the year, about 80% of those who get Covid are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms. You would anticipate most of those people having immunity as well.

Maybe one of the most important things being neglected is widespread availability of anti-body tests. People with healthy anti-bodies should not be pushed to get a vaccination.

I had Covid in January. I had a severe back ache, some fatigue, and partial loss of smell. It lasted about 5 days.... and then I got the Covid pneumonia. That was truly awful.

I just had an employee who is "never sick" get it and struggle for a week before finally giving up and going to the doctor for meds. Experiences are all over the place.

I know quite a few anti-vax people. I'm not. However I want to have an anti-body test before taking the vaccine. A friend at the Health Dept is trying to find how I can get one.

All vaccines have some inherent dangers. Some are extremely low risk. The mRNA vaccines appear to be moderate or maybe on the high end for risks. If I do not have antibodies then I will most likely wait for the non-genetic vaccine to become available.
 
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