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Glitch said:
Things like facts don't fit the narrative and so they are discarded in favor of a modern "interpretation" of the founders' intent.

2A is a good example. People say that the 2A was never meant for things like AR-15's or high capacity magazines. The founders intentionally left the 2A vague because it is meant to allow the citizens to have the means to defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government has automatic weapons, artillery, tanks, airplanes, etc. Yet, opponents of the 2A say it was only meant for hunting or some such. They really just want to take all our guns so that we can't defend ourselves against an increasingly tyrannical government.
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JacketVol said:
Exactly. To keep the government out of church. But was founded with Judeo Christian beliefs. Some were Diests others Christian but they did believe in a creator.
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Whether they believed in a creator is irrelevant to the whether or not the Nation was set up to be governed by religious institution or thought.
Maybe if you called me a name you would feel better about yourself.
 
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Weezer said:
Not just that, but there were several different sects of Christianity in early America that all had different ideas on how to govern. The whole reason they came to the "New World" was so they could practice their particular form of Christianity.
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You guys like it when the wife talks about sects?
 
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Glitch said:
I don't pull every sinner aside to tell them about the gospel. For me, that requires some sort of relationship so that the other person has an understanding of who I am as a person. It is also less about telling people they are living in sin and more about talking to them and just telling them about my personal experiences with sin and how I continue to struggle bur find strength in Jesus.
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Respect
 
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Weezer said:
Laws against murder are not about morality or religion. They're about infringing upon the rights of others, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You are not allowed to infringe upon the rights of others.
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Exactly
 
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Glitch said:
We are called to love. We are not called to accept sin. God hates sin, therefore I hate sin. God loves the sinner, therefore I try to love the sinner. Two very different things. It is required that we meet people where they are and that includes in a state of sin. However, we should encourage them to put aside their sin and seek redemption, just as I would hope others would do for me if they witnessed me in open sin. You are not arguing your point very well.

Like our pastor said this last weekend. Jesus is THE way, THE truth, and THE life. He is not A way, A truth, and A life. All are welcome to follow Him but He is the way to the Father.
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well said
 
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Glitch said:
Things like facts don't fit the narrative and so they are discarded in favor of a modern "interpretation" of the founders' intent.

2A is a good example. People say that the 2A was never meant for things like AR-15's or high capacity magazines. The founders intentionally left the 2A vague because it is meant to allow the citizens to have the means to defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government has automatic weapons, artillery, tanks, airplanes, etc. Yet, opponents of the 2A say it was only meant for hunting or some such. They really just want to take all our guns so that we can't defend ourselves against an increasingly tyrannical government.
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The founder's intents are pretty well laid out in their personal journals and correspondence with one another. Those are all collected and in books that you can read so that you don't have to guess to their intent.
They were just as motivated and inspired by philosophers of the time as any religious doctrine.
 
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Glitch said:
Things like facts don't fit the narrative and so they are discarded in favor of a modern "interpretation" of the founders' intent.

2A is a good example. People say that the 2A was never meant for things like AR-15's or high capacity magazines. The founders intentionally left the 2A vague because it is meant to allow the citizens to have the means to defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government has automatic weapons, artillery, tanks, airplanes, etc. Yet, opponents of the 2A say it was only meant for hunting or some such. They really just want to take all our guns so that we can't defend ourselves against an increasingly tyrannical government.
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I don't trust the government. But this is a really disingenuous argument. We spend more on defense than Russia and China put together. But yall are gonna stock up at the Bill Goodman Gun n Knife show to keep them in check? Got it. Makes sense.
 
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#1GatorHater said:
I don't trust the government. But this is a really disingenuous argument. We spend more on defense than Russia and China put together. But yall are gonna stock up at the Bill Goodman Gun n Knife show to keep them in check? Got it. Makes sense.
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This country was founded with a very small standing army. That argument was actually very well put.

Everyone has to remember, our Founders just seceded from the most powerful Empire in the world and in doing so signed their death warrants. Do you seriously think they then wanted to turn around and take away those freedoms from the newly founded Americans?

“There is no difference in One Tyrant 3000 miles away or 3000 tyrants one mile away”
 
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Girth Brooks said:
If you claim to be a Christian and are not seeking God’s will for your life, you’re no Christian at all. Our purpose, ultimately, is to bring Him glory through service by pointing others to Him. God places people and obstacles before us for His glory, not ours. It is up to us to discern what to do with them. This discernment is learned through prayer and bathing in the Word. The logical gaps in the last several pages are only separated by 12 inches: the distance from the head to the heart.

Paul states that we should take every thought captive. Why? Because we are inherently sinful and undeserving of God’s mercy, for our heart is easily deceived by our eyes. If you learn nothing else, let it be this: Scripture interprets Scripture. In other words, if you impart your ambitions (eisegesis) instead of allowing the Bible to speak as written (exegesis), you’re, at that point, serving yourself above the Lord.

Man has twisted Scripture to fit an agenda since the beginning of time. Even Satan knows Scripture, and he tried to errantly tempt Jesus by misquoting the Word He authored. Speaking truth to power in a loving manner is as Bible-rich as it gets. Did Jesus lie to the attendants of the Sermon on the Mount? No, He detailed many sins that we all struggle with and laid barren the perfect picture of what Christian discipleship looks like.

If the truth was never spoken, hell would be a lot more crowded. Don’t misinterpret a servant heart for judgmental tendencies.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion. Much respect.
Scripture interprets scripture is a Protestant philosophy (one of the main ones).
 
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UTMVol76 said:
This country was founded with a very small standing army. That argument was actually very well put.

Everyone has to remember, our Founders just seceded from the most powerful Empire in the world and in doing so signed their death warrants. Do you seriously think they then wanted to turn around and take away those freedoms from the newly founded Americans?

“There is no difference in One Tyrant 3000 miles away or 3000 tyrants one mile away”
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100%
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Talking about when Moses pitched a tent, in the desert Moran. I believe it is where term Tabernacle was derived.

I recall he either met face to face with God or he was so full of Spirit that a glow came from the tent. No one else was allowed or could come close to the tent.

Fyi it's been about 8 years since I read the Bible. That's been three kids ago.
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I thought it was Enoch that lived a near perfect life and he was taken.
 
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#1GatorHater said:
I don't trust the government. But this is a really disingenuous argument. We spend more on defense than Russia and China put together. But yall are gonna stock up at the Bill Goodman Gun n Knife show to keep them in check? Got it. Makes sense.
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Sooo, because we're out gunned, we should just turn around, stick our collective ass up in the air and say have at it to a tyrannical government? Is that what I'm hearing?
 
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#1GatorHater said:
I don't trust the government. But this is a really disingenuous argument. We spend more on defense than Russia and China put together. But yall are gonna stock up at the Bill Goodman Gun n Knife show to keep them in check? Got it. Makes sense.
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And yet, neither the US or Russia has been able to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan with virtually unlimited budgets and state of the art weapons.
 
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SSVol said:
And yet, neither the US or Russia has been able to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan with virtually unlimited budgets and state of the art weapons.
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which is why we should never have been there in the first place. the hubris of the US military blinds us to the simple fact that you cannot win a war against a native people in their own land. The French could have told us that and Russia after that. Did we listen? Nope. In the process we sacrificed thousands and thousands of American lives for absolutely nothing. Speaking of our founding fathers, doubt they would be too keen on fighting protracted wars in other countries for the financial gain of defense contractors.
 
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bignewt said:
which is why we should never have been there in the first place. the hubris of the US military blinds us to the simple fact that you cannot win a war against a native people in their own land. The French could have told us that and Russia after that. Did we listen? Nope. In the process we sacrificed thousands and thousands of American lives for absolutely nothing. Speaking of our founding fathers, doubt they would be too keen on fighting protracted wars in other countries for the financial gain of defense contractors.
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20 years. 20. Colossal waste of lives, finances, and energy frankly.
 
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SSVol said:
And yet, neither the US or Russia has been able to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan with virtually unlimited budgets and state of the art weapons.
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Charlie Wilson's War is a great book that really demonstrates what a motivated group of fighters can do with some basic weaponry. It also demonstrates how our government can botch a wet dream and still ask us to give them more power.
 
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bignewt said:
There are politicians that should be put on trial for it. Our government failed us. Again.
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Not sure about the Gov't. I don't recall, didn't Dubya have Executive Authority here ?

Btw, this isnt to minimize the sacrifices that men and women made over there.
 
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